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  • From: Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>
  • To: NAFEX <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: [NAFEX] Fw: Re: Dabney and Michigan 437
  • Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:42:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

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-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Sep 19, 2010 6:39 PM
>To: Kieran and/or Donna <holycow@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: Dabney and Michigan 437
>
>Donna,
>
>I've grown all the above, though my Tse Li is so damaged by deer that it may
>never fruit.
>
>Dabney is earlier than either Warren or M437. The order in piedmont, NC is
>Dabney, M437, Warren. I don't currently have a Magness, though I probably
>should get another. My tree died of fireblight, but they were wonderful
>pears...Yumm!
>
>I agree with you on the heritage of Dabney & Ayres. Ayres is like Seckel
>and Dabney seems more like Anjou. If no one else does, I'll give 'em a DNA
>test someday when I have some spare time & we'll know for sure who's their
>daddy (& momma). Dabney is a good pear, but has some flaws. The main ones
>are early ripening, so it competes with peaches and suffers from core
>breakdown, extreme leaf spot susceptibility (the most susceptible cultivar
>in the orchard & I grow about 30 cultivars). Dabney is not a small
>spreading tree in my orchard. I have grown it on both OHxF333 & OHxF513 and
>it's pretty upright, though not rangy like M437. Crotch angles on Dabney
>are pretty good.
>
>I got my M437 scionwood from Jim Lawson more than 20 years ago. M437 is
>pure communis, and makes beautiful pears, but has a horrible growth habit
>and a tendency to make astringent skin. It's an OK pear to eat, not better
>than that. Few to no grit cells, but the astringency is a problem. The
>pears also hang well. They have such long flexible stems on the fruit that
>it requires a bit more determination to pick the fruit when it is ripe
>compared to other cultivars.
>
>I hope this is helpful.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Anton
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Kieran and/or Donna <holycow@frontiernet.net>
>>Sent: Sep 18, 2010 11:42 AM
>>To: Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>, North American Fruit Explorers
>><nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Subject: Dabney and Michigan 437
>>
>>Anton,
>> I've been looking back thru emails I missed, and wish that I'd noticed
>>yours when it arrived. Do you have Warren or Magness? According to the
>>original press release on Dabney it was a fairly early pear, but Chris
>>Inhulsen in central GA says it comes in about the same time as his
>>Warren/Magness crop, and that they like the latter so much better that they
>>mostly process the Dabneys. These varieties appear to come in many weeks
>>apart in Corvallis, but their dates are sometimes pretty screwy.....
>>I'm
>>waiting impatiently for my Dabney tree to crop, scions from Corvallis. One
>>thing I wonder from scrutenizing the original literature and the photos
>>online is whether they mixed up the seeds or rows on Dabney and Ayers.
>>Dabney was supposedly Seckel x Garber, while Ayers was supposedly Anjou x
>>Garber. Ayers looks and tastes a lot more like Seckel, and while I have
>>not
>>tasted Dabney it sure looks a lot more like Anjou. In fact, I don't see
>>any
>>way that something as boring as Anjou crossed with Garber could produce
>>anything as rich tasting as Ayers. I'm looking forward to a "small
>>spreading tree" as Dabney is described, it would make a pleasant contrast
>>to
>>most other pear trees. Chris has something that has made a small tree and
>>is so late that he picks them in Oct down there in GA. I have just one
>>small twig of it, but I have to wonder if it will prove to be Tse Li, known
>>for growing very slowly and being a very late fruit. It has the great big
>>spectacular leaves of a pure oriental pear. I gave a tree to a neighbor so
>>will get to watch it over the years I hope.
>> Where did you get Michigan 437? I don't see it listed in Corvallis.
>>What kind of pear is it? Thanks. Donna, TN z6
>>




  • [NAFEX] Fw: Re: Dabney and Michigan 437, Anton Callaway, 09/19/2010

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