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["Raby, Brian" <brian.raby@roche.com>]

Thanks, Ginda.  I guess I have bitten into enough apples in my life to know 
there was something wrong with the ripeness of the apple I had this morning.

We will probably hold off for the time being on pressing them until we can 
determine they are ready to use.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org 
[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ginda Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:28 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Golden Russet apple

What I've had that was called "Ashmeand's Kernal is a small, yellow,  
heavily-but-unevenly russeted apple with reddish or brown  
"highlights".  It is very sweet and very sour.  What I've had that was  
called "Golden Russet" is a larger (but still small) yellow apple that  
is heavily but evenly russeted, and has a more uniform and pleasing  
appearance than the Ashmeads.  It was round, not flat, and almost  
syrupy sweet.  Tangy, but not as tart as Ashmead's.  Both have dense  
flesh.  People who I know who grow Golden Russet say it is a prolific  
bearer, although it tends towards being biennial.  Ashmeads is a shyer  
bearer.

Both should be fully yellow under the russet when ripe.  (Or have  
brown or red cheeks, in the case of Ashmead's.)  Either one, with a  
green background, is under-ripe, and not very appealing.

Ginda
eastern MA zone 6


On Oct 13, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Claude Jolicoeur wrote:

> Personnally, I suspect there is quite a bit of confusion about true  
> to name
> Golden Russet. I have G.Russet and Ashmead's Kernel, and once  
> picked, I
> can't tell them apart - give me a basket of each, and they just look  
> and
> taste identical. Maybe one of the two has the wrong identity? I came  
> to
> think that at a certain point in the apple history, any apple that  
> looked
> like the G.rsst was called by that name!
> Claude
>
> At 14:20 2009-10-13, you wrote:
>> I have 3 Golden Russet types in my orchard (SW Iowa zone 5)  I have  
>> an
>> English Golden Russet, American Golden Russet, and Ashmead's  
>> Kernal.  The
>> English Golden Russet seems to have less russetting than the other  
>> two
>> apples.  The American Golden Russet is a flatter apple.  The  
>> Ashmead's
>> Kernal is larger and has less russetting than the American.  They  
>> are all
>> tip bearers.  The American Golden Russet bears almost every year  
>> while the
>> Ashmead's Kernal took a long time to come into bearing and tends to  
>> be a
>> shy bearer (except this year).  My favorite use of the apples is for
>> drying.  They make the most flavorful dried apples.  I do not have  
>> good
>> luck keeping them.  My orchard is organic (I don't have time to  
>> spray) and
>> they do get some insect pressure.  Chieftain and Paragon keep much  
>> better
>> with their slick skins.
>> Judson L. Frisk
>>
>>
>> Andy:
>>
>>     I'd suspect that the "good" one is the true Golden Russet.  And  
>> the
>> other Golden Russet sounds like the one I had...or just okay, not  
>> great,
>> matured later (mid Oct.) with a very weeping or willowy growth habit.
>>
>> ed
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Whipple, Andy
>> <<mailto:ANWHIPPLE@tayloru.edu>ANWHIPPLE@tayloru.edu> wrote:
>> Brian and Ed,
>>
>> I have two different Golden Russets in my little orchard.  One is a
>> small-medium,  fairly round fruit, that is one of our favorites   
>> (east
>> central Indiana, zone 5b, maybe an hour east and north from  
>> Brian).  It is
>> ready in late September - early October at which time it is hard,  
>> crisp,
>> quite sweet and juicy  yet with many other flavors so as to make it  
>> quite
>> tasty.  It's much more than simply sweet.  The other Golden Russet
>> produces fruit that are medium in size and rather flattened in
>> shape.  They are sweet and adequately juicy, but not nearly as
>> full-flavored as the other Golden Russet.  That tree I've top  
>> worked to
>> other varieties given its lesser quality of fruit.
>>
>> This year I had the most fireblight I've had in the orchard, but I  
>> don't
>> recall the good Golden Russet being infected.  With just one tree,  
>> though,
>> that's not much to go on
>>
>> So which of these is the True Golden Russet?  I don't know, but  
>> perhaps Ed
>> can comment.  We really do like the eating out of hand quality of the
>> round Golden Russet, though  I can't comment on its use in hard  
>> cider.
>>
>> Andy Whipple, just outside of Upland, Indiana
>>
>> From:
>> <mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org>nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
>> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ed Fackler
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:58 AM
>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Golden Russet apple
>>
>> Brian:
>>
>>     I was never that impressed with it's flavor even when fully
>> mature.  And it is hyper sensitive to fireblight.
>>
>> ed
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Raby, Brian
>> <<mailto:brian.raby@roche.com>brian.raby@roche.com> wrote:
>> Wanted to throw this out to the audience.  My friend and I are  
>> beginning
>> our experiment with apples to test for our hard cider brew.  He had  
>> heard
>> that Golden Russets were a good apple to use in the mix so last  
>> weekend he
>> bought a bushel to press and test.
>>
>> I've got one at my desk right now and as I'm chomping into it, I'm  
>> not
>> very impressed with the flavor or the juiciness (concerned about  
>> how much
>> liquid we will get from the pressing).  Kind of reminds me of  
>> Honeycrisp
>> with the snap that you get when you bite into it.
>>
>> Is this one of those apples that getting better as it sits?  I'd  
>> say the
>> apple was picked a little premature because the exterior, except  
>> for the
>> russeting, is more green than yellow.  But then, I don't know much  
>> about
>> the apple.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian
>> Zone 5a/b
>> Sheridan, IN
>>

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