Thanks, Bill
This confirms, at least in my mind, that the tree that’s
currently fruiting(since the first week of Sept) in my orchard is NC-10, but
the tree that was next to it, down the row, grafted the same year, with
scionwood purchased as ‘Geneva Long’ never produced these elongate fruits –
rather, a more typical round, orange-fleshed fruit.
I think I have another Geneva Long somewhere, grafted from
scions I picked up at a KNGA meeting – it’s not fruited for me yet, so it may
be different – unless the person who brought the scions, originally got their start
from scions I brought to the swap meet.
Lucky
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Behalf Of William McNam
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:32 PM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [NAFEX] Geneva Long vs NC-10 virginiana
I have fruited both these selections obtained from John
Gordon.
The fruit of both is identical in shape(as in Jerry's
photo below), but NC-10 ripens much earlier.
The first ripe fruit of NC-10 dropped Sept 14 '09,whereas
Geneva Long is very late-ripening-- about the same time as John Rick.
James Claypool's L51A also first soft-ripe on Sept
14 this year, and Juhl/Yates first soft-ripe fruit was Sept. 18, '09.
Geneva Long has consistently had somewhat larger fruit
than NC-10 ,but this may partially reflect the difference in crop load
between the two varieties. Geneva Long has never been very productive in the
six years that it's fruited here .
Cannot distinquish between the two in taste.
Does anyone know how Doug Campbell obtained NC-10?
Was it perhaps a seedling of Geneva Long?
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--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Dr. Lucky Pittman <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
wrote:
From: Dr. Lucky Pittman <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Persimmon IDs? Geneva Long
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'"
<nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Received: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:11 PM
But,
now I’m back to being confused.
Those
photos of Geneva Long look identical to what my ‘NC-10’ is producing –
elongate fruits that drop free from the calyx, 2+” length X 1.5” diameter –
and similar in appearance to the line-drawing JHG has of NC-10 on his website
– and he indicates that it ripens in early September.
The
tree that I *thought* I had grafted with Geneva Long scions from JHG
produced a nice, average-size (1.5”) round fruit with good flavor; nice, but
no better than many unselected natives I’ve had the opportunity to sample.
These
were the first two persimmons I ever grafted – early in my orcharding career
– and the only persimmon varieties I had at the time. You’d think a guy
could keep two varieties straight, but I may have gotten ‘em switched.
Lucky
Hi Lucky,
I know you found the answer to your question. Thought I'd send pictures
of Geneva Long taken last year anyway for the possible benefit to other
readers. Lee Brumley and John Raymond helped with photography and may have
been their work. NC-10 isn't in my collection so have no pictures of it.
It is so easy to mix up accessions when taking multiple varieties of the same
species to the field. I've done it more than once. Another problem is
forgetting to label the graft or record it in the filed records. Then go back
an hour later and try to remember which variety was grafted. Switching
material is such a problem that the USDA Grape Repository at Davis, CA that
sells varietal material instituted a rule a few years back. Only one
variety on the working tables at a time. They too had a problem of switching
cultivars.
Jerry
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