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  • From: Kevin Moore <aleguy33@yahoo.com>
  • To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] trailing black raspberry
  • Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:00:34 -0700 (PDT)

Tip-rooting meets every definition of trailing I've ever come across. I've never seen a Rubus grow horizontally by choice. They usually grow in arches. I'd be interested to see one that grows out the way you describe. I've never seen it, though admittedly few Rubus varieties grow in my bioregion.

kevin, z9


From: John S <swim_at_svc@yahoo.com>
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 6:07:03 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] trailing black raspberry

I do not call that trailing.  For me, trailing means that the plant grow horizontally, not up and over.



--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Brady, Kathy <BradyK@health.missouri.edu> wrote:

From: Brady, Kathy <BradyK@health.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] trailing black raspberry
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 11:02 PM

I would be very interested in what your description of a trailing black raspberry is.. I have an old variety that the cane drops over , touches the ground ,and roots from the top..  I got it from my Husband's Grandmother's garden years ago..

Thanks,
Kathy

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From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of John S
Sent: Wed 4/15/2009 9:35 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] trailing black raspberry


Ernst,  I went on the Internet in response to your post to see what I could find about so called "trailing" raspberries.  What I found did not convince me - I think mostly it was artistic, descriptive license to sell a plant or a mis-use of the term "trailing"..  For example, I found a Park's description of Cumberland as "trailing".  Having grown Cumberland, I do not consider it to be appropriately described as trailing.

For now, I'll believe a trailing black raspberry when I actually see it myself.  Over 50 years of interest in black raspberries and I haven't run into a trailing one yet.  However, like you, I  have run into many people that don't know the difference between a blackberry,  a black raspberry and a berry that is black.  I'll allow for the possibility, but want to see better evidence myself.

John



--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Ernest Plutko <ernestplutko@wiktel.com> wrote:



    From: Ernest Plutko <ernestplutko@wiktel.com>
    Subject: Re: [NAFEX] trailing black raspberry
    To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
    Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 9:56 PM
   
   
    Sorry, I am talking in the post about black raspberries.  People
    around here call all dark colored berries blackberries and I picked
    up the habit.  No the canes I have are real trailing black
    raspberries.  An acquaintance gave me three canes last spring which
    are vigorous growers and very hardy.  I have a picture of some
    blossoms I can send you.  These are mystery black raspberries which
    supposedly came from Canada some time ago.  I did read on internet
    that there are trailing back raspberries.  I showed some locals my
    black currents and they called them blackberries.   All the black
    raspberries I have seen previously were erect.
   
    ---- Original Message ----
    From: swim_at_svc@yahoo.com
    To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
    Subject: Re: [NAFEX] trailing black raspberry
    Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:17:54 -0700 (PDT)
   
    >Ernst,  The post from you that I am responding to (below)seems to use
    >"blackberry" and "black raspberry" interchangeably.  Please clarify.
    >I am familiar with trailing blackberries, but not trailing black
    >raspberries.
    >
    >Thanks
    >John
    >
    >
    >
    >--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Ernest Plutko <ernestplutko@wiktel.com> wrote:
    >
    >From: Ernest Plutko <ernestplutko@wiktel.com>
    >Subject: [NAFEX] trailing black raspberry
    >To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
    >Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 11:54 AM
    >
    >Snow is melting rapidly the last three days.  Snow melted away from
    >the trailing black raspberries I got last spring.  They are a mystery
    >variety. I had some berries last summer and they tasty.  They did
    >easily live through the winter except the voles chewed on them. I put
    >mouse poison next to them last fall..  Too many voles.  I'll put out
    >traps for them today and try to wipe them out.  I'm disappointed but
    >the raspberries should make it and put up more canes.  Next fall I'll
    >cover them with wire mesh.  I have six varieties of black raspberries
    >now growing under lights. By varieties I mean wild blackberries from
    >six states. I'm looking for varieties that will grow here.
    >Commercial varieties are not hardy enough but wild varieties have a
    >better chance since I know the hardiness of commercial varieties.  It
    >is possible to discover a more hardy black raspberry from wild
    >populations.
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