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  • Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:39:20 -0400

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Grapple (Mariah Kendrick)
2. South African Fruit Breeding (Lon J. Rombough)
3. Keiffer a dessert pear? (Lucky Pittman)
4. Wal-mart Keiffer (Lucky Pittman)
5. Re: Keiffer a dessert pear? (Lee Sharp)
6. Re: how grafts connect (Kevin Moore)
7. Re: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org (Kevin Moore)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:54:35 -0400
From: "Mariah Kendrick" <mariah_k@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Grapple
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I don't know anyone is familiar with the book "the fruit hunter" but they
have a section on grapples in it. apparently they are made using a grape
scented 'pesticide' (which is non-toxic, supposedly) that is typically used
to deter birds because they don't like the smell. the apples are dipped in
the solution, allowed to absorb some, and then it dries on. it needs to be
kept refrigerated to stay 'grapey' tasting. it all sounds pretty disgusting
to me...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anton Callaway" <marillen@earthlink.net>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: [NAFEX] Grapple


Alex,

Grapples are not a product of genetic engineering. They are a product of
good, old-fashioned chemistry. ;)
Hopefully the grape flavor doesn't come from coal tar, like it once did
for many artificially grape-flavored products.

I do agree with you that the Grapple is disgusting.

They actually tout it as a healthy alternative to junk food. I just don't
understand why a really good quality apple would need any additives to
make it attractive.

If anyone wants to read more about this... thing, you can at their
Website:
http://www.grapplefruits.com/process.html

Anton

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:55:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Moore <aleguy33@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Grapple
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It sounds really horrible! I wonder who's brainchild that was. I
remember tasting >one of the first GM tomatoes that was touted as
the future because it had this >really long shelf life. It tasted
like gasoline! I still don't understand what is >so wrong with our
natural produce that "they" keep wanting to mess with it.

Does grafting and countless generations of selective breeding not
count as "messing with it"? Most of the fruit trees we grow are not
really "natural"... Transgenic technology is just another tool to
introduce new characteristics to the plants.

Alex

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:05:44 -0700
From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] South African Fruit Breeding
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http://www.stargrow.co.za/ Site for a South African company.
Interesting list of fruit varieties and they have their own breeding
program as well.
-Lon Rombough
NEW grape pruning video: http://www.bunchgrapes.com/dvd.html View a
short, low resolution clip here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q58zFY0B1M
Grapes, writing, consulting, my book, The Grape Grower, at
http://www.bunchgrapes.com Winner of the Garden Writers Association
"Best Talent in Writing" award for 2003.
For all other things grape, http://www.vitisearch.com
A video about The Grape Grower :
http://cookingupastory.com/index.php/2008/04/18/the-grape-grower/
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:36:02 -0500
From: Lucky Pittman <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
Subject: [NAFEX] Keiffer a dessert pear?
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At 10:55 AM 4/4/2009, mIEKAL wrote:
Kiefer is a dessert pear, hard skin,
a bit bitter, sweet & fragrant on this inside with a bit of the
dessert pear grit...

Wow! That's a first! I don't think I've ever seen anyone put Keiffer
in the 'dessert' pear category.
It is one of my favorites - it's THE pear of my childhood, it's
fireblight tolerant, and bears heavily despite benign neglect.
But most folks denigrate it as barely edible(not ME!), and relegate
it to the 'canning/preserves' category.

mIEKAL, you're a person after my own heart.

Lucky



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:44:23 -0500
From: Lucky Pittman <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
Subject: [NAFEX] Wal-mart Keiffer
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At 11:51 AM 4/4/2009, mIEKAL wrote:
Full disclosure: This particular tree named "Kiefer" was bought from
Walmart on a closeout sale for almost free & I haven't a clue what
rootstock it's on.

Ahh. Could well be that it's not even Keiffer.
I'm always suspect of the labeled variety on plants at the big box
stores, especially after Donna related the story of her acquaintance
who worked at one of the big propagators in McMinnville, who
indicated that the big boxes often buy their overruns, seconds, etc.,
and apply their own 'variety' labels - I guess they're figuring on
the bulk of the population either not knowing the difference, the
tree not living long enough to fruit, or the original purchaser
moving to a new place and leaving the tree behind.

LLP



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:19:40 -0500
From: "Lee Sharp" <leesharp@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Keiffer a dessert pear?
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Another plus for Keiffer pears is that they are outstanding dehydrated.
Lee
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From: "Lucky Pittman" <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: [NAFEX] Keiffer a dessert pear?


At 10:55 AM 4/4/2009, mIEKAL wrote:
Kiefer is a dessert pear, hard skin,
a bit bitter, sweet & fragrant on this inside with a bit of the
dessert pear grit...

Wow! That's a first! I don't think I've ever seen anyone put Keiffer
in the 'dessert' pear category.
It is one of my favorites - it's THE pear of my childhood, it's
fireblight tolerant, and bears heavily despite benign neglect.
But most folks denigrate it as barely edible(not ME!), and relegate
it to the 'canning/preserves' category.

mIEKAL, you're a person after my own heart.

Lucky


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:43:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Moore <aleguy33@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] how grafts connect
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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My experience would indicate that the scar tissue is formed by the scion. When my Persian lime froze back to the graft, the new shoots arose from the graft scar itself. Initially I thought I was getting suckers from the rootstock, but the tree remained true to its origins. I suspect it is a similar mechanism in other types of fruit trees.




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From: Alan Haigh <alandhaigh@gmail.com>
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 6:29:12 PM
Subject: [NAFEX] how grafts connect


Wow, so none of you knows whether it's the scion or the tree or both that generates the tissue that connects a graft. Or did you overlook that question? The presumption would be that it is the tree and that's why the scion is kept dormant- so it doesn't dry out before the tissue from the tree side forms a vascular hook up. But then I wonder why so many people have good success with scion wood that was never stored and is cut from a tree beginning active growth and grafted on the same day or a bit later to another tree in active growth.

Have I uncovered a great myth about the requirements for grafting efficacy?



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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:53:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Moore <aleguy33@yahoo.com>
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I couldn't disagree more! Selective breeding is essentially making use of a natural process to our benefit. (Usually.) Transgenics has two major flaws: It is moving genes from animals, fungi and viruses into plant material which could never have gotten those genes in a natural manner. It also puts those genes in a separate package that is not integrated into the plants' chromosomes and is subject to migrate into cells in the intestinal tract of anything that eats those plants.
I would say transgenics is a disaster waiting to happen, except several rather major disasters have already happened. There are very sound scientific reasons as well as cultural ones for such plants to have been banned in Europe.




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:55:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Moore <aleguy33@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Grapple
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It sounds really horrible! I wonder who's brainchild that was. I
remember tasting >one of the first GM tomatoes that was touted as
the future because it had this >really long shelf life. It tasted
like gasoline! I still don't understand what is >so wrong with our
natural produce that "they" keep wanting to mess with it.

Does grafting and countless generations of selective breeding not
count as "messing with it"? Most of the fruit trees we grow are not
really "natural"... Transgenic technology is just another tool to
introduce new characteristics to the plants.

Alex

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