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  • From: Justin West <chuckjwest@hotmail.com>
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  • Subject: [NAFEX] scions
  • Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:27:30 +0000

Still wondering if anyone can point me in a direction for aquiring (buying or trading) some graft wood for disease resistant varieties of pear, asian pear, plum, apricot, and-or peach.  I realize this is a rather general question but any ideas would be appreciated. 
Justin
New Jersey
"zone 6" more like 7

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> 1. Re: Asian Pear / Deer Attacked - Anthony Curcio (Lucky Pittman)
> 2. Re: I need a fertilizer source (dmnorton@royaloakfarmorchard.com)
> 3. Re: Asian Pear / Deer Attacked - Anthony Curcio (Lon J. Rombough)
> 4. Re: Asian Pear / Deer Attacked - Anthony Curcio
> (Hilborn.E@epamail.epa.gov)
> 5. Re: climate zones (Bob Randall)
> 6. Kentucky NAFEXers (nuttrees)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:28:39 -0600
> From: Lucky Pittman <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Asian Pear / Deer Attacked - Anthony Curcio
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Anthony,
> The presence of the large thorns makes me suspect that what you
> thought was the graft union is probably not, and that the new shoots
> are from the rootstock and not from the grafted variety.
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:01:40 -0600
> From: <dmnorton@royaloakfarmorchard.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] I need a fertilizer source
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Jim,
>
> We had Ag Resources come in about 2 years ago and they did additional soil
> tests for us and gave us some recommendations for growing our giant
> pumpkins. I totally forgot about them! They did a good service for us and
> spent a lot of time with us. They do offer the same services as
> Wilbur-Ellis and since we have done business with WB for over 15 years now,
> we opted to stay with WB for our orchard.
>
> Dennis Norton
> Royal Oak Farm Orchard
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Fruth" <jfruth@tds.net>
> To: "NAFEX" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc: "Barb Wagner" <barbw@uslink.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] I need a fertilizer source
>
>
> > Just yesterday I received a catalog from Ag Resource, Inc. (Detroit
> > Lakes, MN / 1-800-288-6650) that includes AGRO-K products. AGRO-K sells
> > OMRI fertilizers (that's Organic Materials Review Institute) for foliar
> > spraying. The list includes micronutrients and could be used for what I
> > need. Minimum quantity is one gallon, in most cases, and mostly under
> > $20.00
> >
> > Jim Fruth
> > Brambleberry Farm
> > Pequot Lakes, MN 56472
> > For jams, jellies, syrups and more:
> > www.jellygal.com
> > 1-877-265-6856 (Toll Free)
> > 1-218-831-7018 (My Cell)
> >
> >
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>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:18:48 -0800
> From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Asian Pear / Deer Attacked - Anthony Curcio
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Pear and apple seedlings go through a "juvenile" phase before they
> start bearing in which they frequently have thorns and may also have
> leaves with lobes rather than entire leaves. As the tree matures, the
> wood becomes thorn-free and trees grafted from the mature wood are
> usually free of thorns. However, grafting wood taken from areas of the
> tree close to the "juvenile" part may produce thorns, especially on
> vigorous new shoots. Your tree may have been grafted from such wood
> and the shock of the deer damage made the new shoots come out with
> thorns. Such juvenile shoots will grow out of the thorns, but they
> will also take longer t o come back to bearing than thornless shoots.
> Meanwhile, the thorns give them some deer protection.
> -Lon Rombough
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> On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Anthony Curcio wrote:
>
> Last year without any warning Crazed Deer attacked a small planting of
> our pampered 2 yo Asian pears. Emotionally beaten I did not return to
> the site of the raid until recently. Now one tree, a Hosui, which had
> its trunk snapped in two has multiple new shoots rising from just above
> the graft. Although the shoots are above the graft the new growth has
> what appears to be large thorns. I would like to know if I should
> choose one new shoot and cut the rest of the tree back or cut the new
> growth off and see if the old trunk will emerge ? I have taken a couple
> of pictures but didn?t know if they would work with this reply. I could
> send off line.
> Thank you, Anthony z4b
> ?
> Anthony P. Curcio
> CEO
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> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:27:34 -0500
> From: Hilborn.E@epamail.epa.gov
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Asian Pear / Deer Attacked - Anthony Curcio
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> "Pear and apple seedlings go through a "juvenile" phase before they
> start bearing in which they frequently have thorns and may also have
> leaves with lobes rather than entire leaves. "
>
> Lon, that is fascinating! Do you know if pomegranates may act
> similarly? My "Favorite" came back from a freeze event from the roots
> but now suckers terribly and has thorns.
>
> Betsy Hilborn
> 7a NC
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:37:56 -0600
> From: Bob Randall <YearRoundGardening@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] climate zones
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Some years ago while trying to advise gardeners and farmers all over
> the Houston area, I became aware of just how bad the existing USDA
> zones were--both out of date and not very helpful, and insensitive to
> local differences (the area has places where there is one frost every
> other year and others where there are 25-40 every winter). I started
> doing web based research on historical weather in the Houston
> Galveston College Station Metro Region. What I found was that even
> the weather data is not collected as if people used it for plants.
>
> For example, if you wanted to know how many frosts to expect in a
> winter--suppose you want to grow a lemon or protect your peppers for
> example--you can't find this out easily since the weather data is
> collected and reported by calendar year. It is actually necessary to
> manually count up all fall winter and spring dates for the last part
> of one year and second part of another to get a total, and then do it
> for that location for the last ten or 20 years
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> As anyone with math training knows, averages (mean or median??) tell
> you very little about the extremes or their frequency, and plants care
> mostly about that. So I decided to report frequencies, rather than
> averages
>
> So what I did was a lot of mind numbing counting on NOAA web sites.
> But the way of reporting is much more useful if you grow fruits or
> vegetables.
>
> See http://www.urbanharvest.org/advice/basics/weather_data.html
>
> This is for our area, but there is no reason why similar effort
> wouldn't work anywhere.
>
> Bob Randall
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Michele Stanton wrote:
>
> > The USDA climate zones are not meant as an all-encompassing guide to
> > what grows where. They are based on average winter minimum
> > temperatures, and nothing more. Their main advantage is that they
> > are so widely used. You can find similar maps for almost any
> > country or area in the world now. Read more at: http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/index.html
> >
> > Those of you West of the Rockies should look at the Sunset climate
> > zones. They're a much more accurate picture of climates. I
> > introduce students to Sunset's national maps even though I live in
> > the Midwest. I wish they were more widely used. They're based on a
> > larger number of factors, such as minimum and maximum temperatures,
> > rainfall amount and timing, humidity, and length of the growing
> > season. Check them out at: http://www.sunset.com/garden/climate-zones/
> >
> > Some nurseries use a combination of USDA zones and AHS heat zones,
> > which is at least a little more helpful. If you haven't used the
> > AHS heat zones, you can obtain info for your area by entering your
> > zip code.
> >
> > http://www.ahs.org/publications/heat_zone_map.htm
> >
> > Michele in SW Ohio
> >
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> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:23:05 -0500
> From: "nuttrees" <nuttrees@prtcnet.org>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Kentucky NAFEXers
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> Lucky thank you
>
> Yes we are open but in a Research and development mode mostly. I do
> have plants available for pick up and we are shipping this coming spring
> season but we are still working on getting it together for fall 2009. I
> was in Iraq for almost 1 year so I have needed a lot of catching up to do I
> did not get out of the army till 1 September 06. I was injured and have
> required several surgeries to fix a few things but I am working on it and
> will open up fully in the near future.
>
>
>
> I have found that I have to deal with Iraq while it is still fresh in my
> mind and I'm not finding it easy to cope with some things in day to day
> life, I am taking it a lot easier these days the nursery will come back
> some day soon but I have to come back first.
>
>
>
> I have not up dated the web site but plan to in the near future. I will
> supply my list of scion wood and plant material and the list of cultivars
> available.
>
>
>
> I do have some plant material available Kaki & Virginiana persimmons,
> Jujube and Asian pears and some other plant material. The most interesting
> thing I have to release is Rojo Brillante Kaki from Spain just out of the
> post entry Quarantine this past fall very large fruit and very firm when
> ripe
>
> Please contact me off list.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Clifford England
>
> 316 KY HWY 2004
>
> McKee, KY 40447
>
> www.nuttrees.net <http://www.nuttrees.net/>
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