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What I am going to try next year is mixing dried habnero peppers with green 
Persimmons. I am going to let them soak in water then spray the strained mix 
with a little dish soap in it on the bags. I would have tried it this year 
but because of our Easter freeze here in TN I don't have any fruit to bag.
 
Vernon 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: apple woes (John Barbowski)
   2. You Think You Got Pest Problems? (Thomas Olenio)
   3. Re: You Think You Got Pest Problems? (hans brinkmann)
   4. Re: You Think You Got Pest Problems? (Donna &/or Kieran)
   5. Maps of change in U.S. hardiness zones (Doug Woodard)
   6. Re: You Think You Got Pest Problems? (road's end farm)
   7. Re: You Think You Got Pest Problems? (loneroc)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:20:19 -0400
From: "John Barbowski" <jbarbowski@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] apple woes
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Both Raccoons and squirrels have done it to me. Hard to say which is more
destructive - probably raccoons! This why I am going to put 2 ft of smooth
venting pipe around my trees.

Squirrels may jump a bit but they do need a bit of intelligence to navigate
to the target.

I also find the plastic bags a slight deterrent for the squirrels.

jmb


  I returned to find the bags on the ground with large holes ripped in
  them - obviously something chewed through the bags to get at the
  apples.
  1)  Any idea who's the most likely suspect?
  2)  Any idea how to discourage her in the future?
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:13:12 -0400
From: "Thomas Olenio" <tolenio@sentex.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] You Think You Got Pest Problems?
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Hi,



Here is a fellow with real pest problems.  Claims they cost him $300,000
last year in lost crops.



Massive explosion leaves thousands of birds dead

An orchardist who regularly mounts attacks on roosting starlings has
allegedly left thousands of birds dead and dying after commissioning a bird
bomb for his latest effort.





 <http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4168476a7693.html#Scene_1>
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4168476a7693.html#Scene_1



Having been frustrated by pests myself it is hard to decide where I stand on
his actions.



Later,

Tom

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:36:28 +0200
From: hans brinkmann <hans-brinkmann@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] You Think You Got Pest Problems?
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Hallo Thomas,

thank you for that brandnew and very shocking New Zealand
apple-farmer-bird-bombing article!
Bombs are used now-a-days to "solve" more and more problems.
The real damage and suffer is never considered!

New Zealand exported 2005 more than 300.000 t of apples.
This article will be published at Europe the next time and it will make
Europeans thinking more about the
complete nonsense of Apple-importation from New Zealand to Europe!!!

Those apples are also much more poisonous than apples from Europe
production, but because of international treaties
we can not stop the import. E.g. like the importation of hormone-meat
from USA.
Europe farmers are not allowed to use any hormons in meat production.
To declare the poison on New Zealand apples (or American hormons inside
meat) is not allowed (WTO),
because no customer would buy them. Almost the same we do with our
mad-cow-disease...

At Germany e.g. apple-, cherry and grape-plantations are considered as
an important and positive part of  our environment.
And we have the same starlings in the same amounts...
But producers are using other effective - non killing - methods...

ciao
Hans



Thomas Olenio schrieb:

> Hi,
>
> 
>
> Here is a fellow with real pest problems.  Claims they cost him
> $300,000 last year in lost crops.
>
> 
>
> * Massive explosion leaves thousands of birds dead *
>
> ** An orchardist who regularly mounts attacks on roosting starlings
> has allegedly left thousands of birds dead and dying after
> commissioning a bird bomb for his latest effort. **
>
> 
>
> 
>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4168476a7693.html#Scene _1
> <http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4168476a7693.html#Scene_1>
>
> 
>
> Having been frustrated by pests myself it is hard to decide where I
> stand on his actions.
>
> 
>
> Later,
>
> Tom
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:58:34 -0500
From: "Donna &/or Kieran" <holycow@cookeville.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] You Think You Got Pest Problems?
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I sent the NZ article to a vet and bird fanatic who will probably applaud
the killing of so many starlings in another country where they are an
invasive species.  She has pointed out that the reason red headed
woodpeckers seem to have vanished from our area is that starlings take all
the nesting holes.    Donna



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:05:06 -0400
From: Doug Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org>
Subject: [NAFEX] Maps of change in U.S. hardiness zones
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See
http://arborday.org/media/map_change.cfm

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:55:05 -0400
From: road's end farm <organic101@linkny.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] You Think You Got Pest Problems?
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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On Aug 17, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Thomas Olenio wrote:

> Hi,
> ?
> Here is a fellow with real pest problems. ?Claims they cost him
> $300,000 last year in lost crops.
> ?
> Massive explosion leaves thousands of birds dead
> An orchardist who regularly mounts attacks on roosting starlings has
> allegedly left thousands of birds dead and dying after commissioning a
> bird bomb for his latest effort.
> ?
> ?
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4168476a7693.html#Scene_1
> ?
> Having been frustrated by pests myself it is hard to decide where I
> stand on his actions.
> ?
He blew up not only the birds, but the trees, everything else living in
them, and anything and everything else that happened to wander by at
the wrong moment.

He also left hundreds of wounded birds, and probably other animals,
scattered around his neighbors' properties.

I have certainly been frustrated by pests; but I have no trouble at all
deciding where I stand on this behaviour.

--Rivka
Finger Lakes NY; zone 5 mostly
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:12:46 -0500
From: "loneroc" <loneroc@mwt.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] You Think You Got Pest Problems?
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I can deal with someone pulling the wings off of flies, having poisoned 
plenty myself.  I can deal with folks who quickly kill animals and eat 
them--I am not a vegetarian.  But this guy is a cruel, greedy bastard--like 
the farmers around here who stuff 10,000 hogs into a small barn like 
wall-to-wall pork carpeting. Like logging companies who strip-mine vast 
mountainsides of trees:  it's cheaper that way, you know, it costs hundreds 
of thousands of dollars to timber selectively or sustainably.  Oooo, it costs 
me so much money to treat waste water before dumping it!  Why do I have to 
pay minimum wage?  Maybe slaves are cheaper in the long run.  Since this guy 
has to export to Europe or the US to survive, I'd say protests and boycotts 
of any fruit distributor who EVER buys another apple from this guy again 
would be the free market solution.  Starlings would be the least of his 
economic nightmares.  Spread the word:-)

loneroc


----- Original Message -----
  From: Thomas Olenio
  To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
  Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:13 PM
  Subject: [NAFEX] You Think You Got Pest Problems?


  Hi,

  

  Here is a fellow with real pest problems.  Claims they cost him $300,000 
last year in lost crops.

  

  Massive explosion leaves thousands of birds dead

  An orchardist who regularly mounts attacks on roosting starlings has 
allegedly left thousands of birds dead and dying after commissioning a bird 
bomb for his latest effort.

  

  

  http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4168476a7693.html#Scene_1

  

  Having been frustrated by pests myself it is hard to decide where I stand 
on his actions.

  

  Later,

  Tom



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