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  • From: Jacquelyn Kuehn <jakuehn@verizon.net>
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  • Subject: [NAFEX] bilberries, anyone?
  • Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:32:01 -0400

I hope you all had a wonderful 4th. We had a big church picnic, which was great fun. Someone asked if I knew anything about bilberries, specifically as relates to being useful in improving eyesight. I googled them, and found out a bit, but knew the real place to check was with the knowledgeable NAFEX membership. Anyone know anything about them? Anyone growing them, and want to share plants, or to sell dried berries or other plant products?

Thanks.

Jackie
<x-tad-bigger>Jacquelyn A. Kuehn</x-tad-bigger>
Musician, writer
http://www.pennsacreskitchen.net




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Today's Topics:

1. Re: price of food (Mark & Helen Angermayer)
2. Re: price of food (Naomi)
3. Re: price of food (Naomi)
4. Re: membership decline (S & E Hills)
5. Re: Getting the word out (S & E Hills)
6. Re: Japanese beetle or Rose Chafer? (tanis cuff)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:45:19 -0500
From: "Mark & Helen Angermayer" <hangermayer@isp.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] price of food
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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We'll, maybe $300 is a bit cheap. We have started buying more fresh fruit
and vegetables in the last year or so, so maybe it's a little more. Our
kids are still fairly young and we are frugal too, so that helps. We also
shop mostly at a cash only store which saves a bit more.

I'm a bit more cynical lately than normal. The 12" of rain we got in 4 days
ruined most our garden. I didn't think tomato plants could drown but they
can, looks like less than half left. Beans dead. Peas? Much of it reminds
me of the April freeze. But if you look at the whole situation, our
problems are not worth mentioning. A lot of folks don't really even have a
house to come back to.

Mark
Kansas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Olenio" <>
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] price of food


-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Mark & Helen Angermayer

... We spend about $300 per month on groceries, feeding a family of four.


Hi,

Buying patterns differ however... We consider ourselves frugal and spend
$150 a week for groceries in southwest Ontario for a family of four (two
teenage boys). We do buy some extras such as potato chips, pop and ice
cream, but not excessive amounts and always generic brands.

That amounts to approximately $600 a month spent in the grocery store.
Possibly taxes and transport costs play a large part in the doubling of
spending from your California grocery spending.

I would not even think of buying produce labeled "organic" as it is just
outside of our budget.

We grow our own tomatoes (can 50 liters of sauce yearly), peppers, sweet
corn, apples, raspberries (make all our own jelly), currants in season.

Prices vary. Keep in mind in southwest Ontario we pay approximately $4.12
a
gallon for gasoline (others in Canada pay even more).

Later,
Tom


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:58:53 -0600
From: "Naomi" <dragon-star@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] price of food
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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We have our own animals, goats, chickens and beefalo. So we do have milk,
meat and eggs, but we have a feed bill also. We grow our own hay at about
$60 a ton.

We have a big garden. I picked the first ripe tomato today.

We put stuff up but that involves vinegar, sugar and salt. I did make some
delicious fruit vinegar last year (on purpose) but that is for salads and
sushi.. not pickling.

We probably buy about $300 in food including dog (4 big one 1 little) in a
month. The prices on produce just about give me "sticker shock." We use
Grocery Outlet a good bit.
Naomi
Idaho Zone 6 100 dry degrees.. we irrigate.



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:00:59 -0600
From: "Naomi" <dragon-star@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] price of food
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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A month (sorry)

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Naomi
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:59 AM
To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] price of food

We have our own animals, goats, chickens and beefalo. So we do have milk,
meat and eggs, but we have a feed bill also. We grow our own hay at about
$60 a ton.

We have a big garden. I picked the first ripe tomato today.

We put stuff up but that involves vinegar, sugar and salt. I did make some
delicious fruit vinegar last year (on purpose) but that is for salads and
sushi.. not pickling.

We probably buy about $300 in food including dog (4 big one 1 little) in a
month. The prices on produce just about give me "sticker shock." We use
Grocery Outlet a good bit.
Naomi
Idaho Zone 6 100 dry degrees.. we irrigate.

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 13:20:20 -0500
From: "S & E Hills" <ehills7408@wowway.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] membership decline
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I, too, agree that if the website offered back issues of Pomona (to paying
members only) I would certainly enjoy that aspect of membership and probably
have joined earlier.



My preference would be for html versions, but downloadable pdf's would be
acceptable as well.



I have looked through the indexes on a number of occasions, but I haven't
ordered because the listings and order form are not user friendly (and sadly
it appears I am lazy).



Scott Hills



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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Deb Schneider
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:58 AM
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] membership decline



I have three organizations I used to belong to that I no longer join.
Biggest reason is that I have to hassle with printing out a membership form
and sending a check! The one organization I am still a member of allows me
to renew online using a credit card/debit card or Paypal.



I'd guess that 75% or more of any organizations members ONLY PAY DUES and do
not do anything much else. So discounting those folks as meaningless, is
rather silly as that is a big chunk of money to keep the organization
running. Those of us "lurking" members, are happy to support the group if
it's made simple to do so.



I also think that many organizations do not do a good job with websites. I
am much more likely to be involved with an organization that has a high
quality/high content well-functioning website. I would even prefer it to a
paper newsletter. One of my former organizations decided to make their
quarterly publication a glossy, full color deal. I skim it and toss it.
I'd rather get it online and have it available on their (bare bones NOT
glossy) website where I could access it when I want it without having to
find a place to store it.



Now the NAFEX Pomona is a lot of fun to get, but it would be tons more
useful if it was accessible online to members with a searchable index. You
give me all the back issues of Pomona online in this manner and let me renew
online and I would pay a good sized membership fee to get this!



deb

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 13:27:38 -0500
From: "S & E Hills" <ehills7408@wowway.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Getting the word out
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <020a01c7be69$0066d050$0200a8c0@hills2003>
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Would you consider the case of making articles from Pomona (which is for
members) a part of the website available only to members? I recall looking
at the CRFG's website a few autumns ago and their scion exchange page was
accessible only to members (which would make sense, and encourage
non-members to join).

Scott Hills

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of William C. Garthright
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:32 AM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Getting the word out


Maybe we need to have a two-stage website, where there is a good deal of
useful information on the publicly accessible section serving as a come-on
to a section accessible to members only.


I think this would be counter-productive. What's the point? I mean, why
does NAFEX exist and why is the membership money so important, after
all? NAFEX is a non-profit group, and the whole point is to increase
interest and share knowledge, isn't it? Membership money is surely a
very minor consideration. If you're going to share knowledge, then share
knowledge, whether people are actually members or not.

One of the nice things about the Internet is that, whatever your
interests, you can find other people who share them. I don't know anyone
locally who shares this particular interest, but that doesn't matter
(much), because there's this great community on-line. I stumbled across
this email list, and it's been great. The only reason I would join NAFEX
is because I'd like to support the group. I certainly don't need another
publication, since I don't usually get them read, anyway.

If you want more members in NAFEX, then you need to get newbies on this
list and perhaps involved in other ways. Some of them - many of them,
I'd say - will probably become members eventually (sooner if you keep
reminding them and you make it particularly easy; later if you don't).

But in your desire to recruit new members, don't forget why the group
exists in the first place.

Bill

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:55:13 +0000
From: "tanis cuff" <tanistanis@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Japanese beetle or Rose Chafer?
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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Sorry for delay in adding to this. But is anyone else familiar with the
"summer rose beetle"? It looks more like the j-beetle than the rose chafer,
but appears w/ rose chafers. Steve (howdy "neighbor"), WI has had summer
rose beetles for at least 20 years but j-beetles only recently.

Interesting, the semi-wild "pioneer roses" which grow at my house bloomed a
little early, and were fading anyway when the ravenous rose chafers & rose
beetles emerged, and I think they were a bit late. Effect of the early
April freeze & snow? I think I'm seeing more differences in insect activity
then plant damage, from that weather.



----Original Message Follows----
From: <dmnorton>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers"
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Japanese beetle or Rose Chafer?
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:53:01 -0500

Message Here's the best profile of both that I have used. It comes from
http://www.ipmcenters.org/cropprofiles/docs/MIlabruscagrapes.html. Sorry I
couldn't get to it sooner when Jim asked about the same pests. We use
Imidan for both since Surround will work on Japanese Beetle but not on
chafers. Hope this helps!

Japanese Beetle, Popillia japonica Newman[pic]

Life Cycle: Japanese beetles begin to emerge in early July and can be found
through September. Beetles leave their tunnels during the morning of clear
days for feeding and mating. They return to the soil in the late afternoon
or evening to spend the night and also remain in the soil on cold wet days.
The beetles lay their eggs underground in grassy areas in mid summer. The
eggs hatch in late July and the larvae go through three molts before fall.
They are less than 1/15 of an inch long when they first hatch and may be as
large as 1 inch at third stage larvae. The white, C-shaped larvae (grubs)
feed on grass and weed roots and overwinter further underground in these
areas. Grubs move up into the root zone during April and May to feed and
reach maturity (5, 42).

Damage: Adults feed on the upper surface of the foliage between the veins,
leaving a lace-like skeleton. Leaves turn brown and die if feeding is
severe, but berry clusters are not attacked. Japanese beetles can be a
problem particularly in new vineyards using grow tubes (5, 42).

General Control Information: Labrusca vines are naturally resistant to
feeding by Japanese beetles and tolerate some damage, but vinifera vines and
hybrids are more susceptible. Monitoring is required to reduce the risk of
damage. Traps are not recommended because they attract more beetles to the
vineyard. Birds and mammals reduce Japanese beetle grub populations
considerably by feeding on large numbers of grubs during the early spring
and fall. Chemical controls include: Imidan, Sevin, Danitol and Surround
(24).

Rose Chafer, Macrodactylus subspinosus [pic]

This general feeder is related to the Japanese beetle, sharing a similar
life cycle (6).

Life Cycle: Larvae (grubs) overwinter in the soil, resuming development in
the spring. Adult beetles emerge in late May or early June, near the time of
grape bloom and live for 3- to 4 weeks. They are about 0.5 inch long with a
tan body, dark brown head and long legs. Males and females congregate on
plants to mate and feed on blossoms, newly set fruit and leaves. Mating and
egg-laying occur continuously for about two weeks with each female
depositing eggs just below the surface of sandy soil. In about two weeks,
eggs hatch and the grubs remain in the soil until they pupate in the spring.
This pest is more common in areas with light sandy soils. There is only one
generation per year (6).

Damage: Rose chafers feed on green tissue. Feeding damage is most obvious on
the leaves though the greatest impact can be on young clusters when adult
beetles remove the developing berries (42).

General Control Information: Vigilance must be maintained early in the
season in case of high rose chafer populations. In severe cases, blossom
buds are completely destroyed, resulting in little or no grape production.
Bloom-time sprays for grape berry moth will control rose chafers (6).
Chemical controls include: Guthion, Imidan, Lannate, Sevin, and Danitol
(24).

Dennis Norton
Royal Oak Farm Orchard
http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com
http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com
http://www.revivalhymn.com


----- Original Message -----
From: loneroc
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Japanese beetle or Rose Chafer?

How does one tell these apart? I think the beetles on my rugosas are the
chafer, but I read that Japanese beetle has recently arrived in the area.

Steve H. SW WI

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