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  • From: John Smith <friendly27sw@yahoo.com>
  • To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] P.trifoliata
  • Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:16:19 -0800 (PST)

I checked my flying dragon seedlings in the garden,
they all appear to have died back at least to the snow
line, our low this winter was -2 F. My seeds came
from Texas, perhaps seed from a northern source would
have been more hardy

zone 5b/6 Central Missouri
--- Donna &/or Kieran <holycow@cookeville.com> wrote:

> Just got back from visiting my folks in Florida,
> stopped on the way to see
> Chris Inhulsen's citrus (and other fruits) in
> southern GA. I get blamed for
> a few of the trees I recommended or even sent him
> seed or budwood of, but at
> least I can take credit for recommended Kimkoji aka
> kinkoji, which is a very
> nice early pummelo cross. It's sold around Houston
> TX as "Bloomsweet
> grapefruit", and is available from the Florida
> Budwood collection in Winter
> Haven FL. Mind you, I think the minimum order out
> of state is $25, for that
> price you could maybe find a source for a whole
> tree.
> I guess I am pretty much the expert on
> trifoliate and it's crosses. The
> recipe Lucky gave is a bit of an exaggeration, but
> to quote Chris, "With
> enough added sugar, even feces can be delectable."
> Trifoliate is indeed
> hardy to Z5, someone once called me from a pocket of
> Z5 in the Chicago area
> and told me about a tree that cropped there for
> years. It is a pity that no
> one has found a strain that is less packed with
> seeds, as there is very
> little room in the fruit for juice. The sticky gum
> in the rind will muck up
> your juicer and I am told that only acetone will
> remove it. If you want to
> play with it at the very edges of it's hardiness, it
> may make a difference
> whether you get the large flowered or the small
> flowered strain. I believe
> it is the small flowered strain that matures
> earlier, and this was the
> reason for the phone call from Chicago, that the
> plant the guy had known
> about DID mature it's fruit, and his didn't. This
> gets pretty esoteric, as
> few know which they have. I CAN tell you that the
> Flying Dragon in the
> Winter Haven collection is the large flowered, and
> half it's seedlings will
> be normal, not twisted. (They know this because
> visitors from China seem
> astonished and say, "This isn't regular Flying
> Dragon, this is CLOUD Flying
> Dragon!" So unless all the US stock came from one
> source, the small
> flowered one is probably here somewhere.) Flying
> Dragon carries one
> mutation for dwarfing and twisted thorns and
> branches, it is extremely
> picturesque especially in winter, and is easier to
> get along with than the
> normal trifoliates, but the fruit are also smaller.
> Double genes for the
> mutation give a seedling that never grows. Might
> make a nice little potted
> plant. ( I do have plenty of Flying Dragon on hand,
> but getting me to the
> post office to mail anything is like pulling teeth.
> It's probably still
> possible if someone wants to try. It's getting to
> be big enough to get in
> the way. I have set out one for myself and the
> others are just there taking
> up space. )
> Crosses of regular citrus to trifoliate are
> mostly not very edible. It
> seems that the sticky gum and the bitterness it
> carries are no longer
> trapped in the peel but are spread throughout the
> fruit. The exceptions to
> this rule are Morton, US 119, Thomasville
> Citrangequat, and a cross to
> Siamese Sweet pummelo. The fruit needs to be dead
> ripe to be good, so you
> need plenty of heat units to ripen it. This means
> that even though the
> plants will generally survive 10 degrees or lower,
> forget the PNW for
> ripening the fruit. I could go on, and you would
> think I was crazy. But I
> really do think someone should be working with the
> existing crosses to make
> some hardier citrus. We are overdue for an ice age,
> and this brief fling
> with "Global Warming" is a chance for some NAFEXers
> to play with citrus
> germplasm and maybe make some crosses that will be
> useful later.
> For citrus in general, growing from seed creates
> all kinds of problems
> with prolonged juvenility and excessive thorniness.
> Always do your best to
> get budded trees or bud them yourself from cropping
> trees. Many citrus will
> root, tangerines are the hardest to do. Even a
> scrap of nurse root if you
> can get it from someone can be grafted and will get
> you a tree going.
> I have to agree about the calamondins, I have
> seen them do well indoors
> both here and in England. Donna
>
>
>
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