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["Bruce Hansen" <brucedhansen@sbcglobal.net>]

Alan:

Let us be consistant and stay on topic.

Bruce

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From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of
athagan@atlantic.net
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 4:33 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Do-It-0urselves Katrina Relief


Folks,

Aren't we supposed to be discussing fruit here?  There are no end of
lists and discussion forums where we can talk about politics...

.....Alan.

Quoting Bruce Hansen <brucedhansen@sbcglobal.net>:

> So, it is unacceptable to discuss illegal aliens and the enormous
> damage
> done to America by their flooding over the border with winds of 800
> miles
> per hour but it is ok to wax eloquent over a hurricane? It is
> unacceptable
> to speak of the thousands of people killed in New York by ARAB
> murderers but
> we can talk about 'natural' disasters? It is unacceptable to speak
> of our
> soldiers giving their lives in the WAR ON TERROR but it is ok to
> write about
> flooding and death in Louisiana?
>
> What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Stephen
> Sadler
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:25 PM
> To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Do-It-0urselves Katrina Relief
>
>
> As a former Red Cross worker, I can tell you that the American Red
> Cross
> (ARC)(and Red Crescent, too, is working on this disaster) can get
> blood,
> plasma, fluids, food, water, gasoline or diesel for generators,
> etc. in
> place as efficiently as possible given the scope of the disaster.
> This has
> been one of the worst in the world in terms of the difficulty of
> getting
> goods in to people in need.  Seldom does the agency have to deal
> with the
> combination of flood, destroyed roads, and snipers.
>
> The military has the best ability to move goods, and FEMA and Red
> Cross have
> goods and volunteers available.  FEMA should be coordinating Red
> Cross and
> the military, I would hope - someone has to.
>
> ARC could coordinate the delivery of, for example, IV fluid.  But
> it would
> take longer to deliver that dedicated donation than to either
> deliver their
> own stock or to purchase or get donated stock from a supply house.
>
> Money donations are a faster way to get that IV fluid (or anything
> else) in
> place faster than a direct donation of the fluid (or whatever).
> Large
> volume donations from suppliers are a different matter, and those
> suppliers
> should contact FEMA or the ARC headquarters.  Local chapters should
> be able
> to help coordinate such larger donations, as well - but they do
> that through
> National, so one may as well contact them directly.
>
> Monetary donations earmarked for a specific tragedy, like this, are
> great,
> and welcome. Of better use are non-designated donations.  ARC keeps
> money
> and goods on hand to try to deal with emergencies immediately,
> rather than
> having to wait for the processing of earmarked donations.  That
> fund then
> needs to be replenished.  Americans tend to give amounts in
> proportion to
> the proximity of the tragedy to where they live.  As awful as 9/11
> was, much
> more money was earmarked for it than was needed.  Had it been
> available for
> general relief, many millions of earmarked dollars could have been
> immediately available for something like Katrina.
>
> ARC fundraisers have a heck of a time trying to get the public to
> understand
> these concepts.  Frankly, we seldom tried.  But this is a
> brighter-than-public sort of list.
>
> Easiest donation, if you want to give, is via the website:
> http://www.redcross.org/.
>
> Giving directly on the ARC site keeps fundraising costs to
> minimum.
> Indirect donations often have hidden costs - sometimes necessary
> and
> ethical, sometimes not so much.
>
> The 'Diaster Relief Fund' is the general emergency fund.
>
> PS
> Charlie mentioned generators - if you're anywhere nearby, that's
> one thing
> that might be an efficient donation - you could 'lend' a generator,
> but I
> wouldn't count on getting it back in this chaos.  Farther away,
> contact your
> ARC chapter and ask.  Money will still get generators in place,
> though.  The
> huge problem is still transportation.  We've been wondering what
> took so
> long to get the amphibious vehicles moving into town.  There was
> only one
> day warning that the hurricane would hit where it did - I hope it
> was just a
> case of not enough time to deploy.  You know there are going to be
> investigations later.  Now it's just a joy to see them finally
> moving in.
>
>
> Stephen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Charles
> Paradise
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 9:14 AM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: [NAFEX] Do-It-0urselves Katrina Relief
>
> Not a wild idea Tom has at all.  Here in Massachusetts, individuals
> are
> trying to help.  One working at a health food store is sending
> protein
> powder directly.  I had thoughts about this I wrote yesterday I
> quote myself
> as follows:
>
> Brett Favre, quarterback of Green Bay Packers football team, native
> of the
> storm area, spoke yesterday saying even more urgent than food was
> need for
> generators to produce AC electricity.  110 degrees at night is too
> much to
> ask weak children sick or elderly to take.
>
> If it were me trying to help directly, I'd call a clinic in the
> greater
> storm area, ask what delivery method is most likely to come through
> for
> them, ask who their medical supply company is, and pay directly for
> a big
> box of I.V. fluid.   As a second choice, join with others to pay
> for a
> generator and have it delivered to an aging association in the
> storm area
> least likely to get power back online soon.  I'd be willing to kick
> in a few
> bucks if someone wanted to get the ball rolling on this.  I do know
> people
> escaped from the storm to Houston who could advise about clinics,
> associations, etc.
>
> If anyone would like me to call refugees from New Orleans now in
> Houston to
> inquire where something could be sent [like an elderly affairs
> organization]
> I will make the call, if asked.
>
> Charlie Paradise, Massachusetts
>
>
>
>
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