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Folks,

Aren't we supposed to be discussing fruit here?  There are no end of
lists and discussion forums where we can talk about politics...

.....Alan.

Quoting Bruce Hansen <brucedhansen@sbcglobal.net>:

> So, it is unacceptable to discuss illegal aliens and the enormous
> damage
> done to America by their flooding over the border with winds of 800
> miles
> per hour but it is ok to wax eloquent over a hurricane? It is
> unacceptable
> to speak of the thousands of people killed in New York by ARAB
> murderers but
> we can talk about 'natural' disasters? It is unacceptable to speak
> of our
> soldiers giving their lives in the WAR ON TERROR but it is ok to
> write about
> flooding and death in Louisiana?
> 
> What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Stephen
> Sadler
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:25 PM
> To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Do-It-0urselves Katrina Relief
> 
> 
> As a former Red Cross worker, I can tell you that the American Red
> Cross
> (ARC)(and Red Crescent, too, is working on this disaster) can get
> blood,
> plasma, fluids, food, water, gasoline or diesel for generators,
> etc. in
> place as efficiently as possible given the scope of the disaster. 
> This has
> been one of the worst in the world in terms of the difficulty of
> getting
> goods in to people in need.  Seldom does the agency have to deal
> with the
> combination of flood, destroyed roads, and snipers.
> 
> The military has the best ability to move goods, and FEMA and Red
> Cross have
> goods and volunteers available.  FEMA should be coordinating Red
> Cross and
> the military, I would hope - someone has to.
> 
> ARC could coordinate the delivery of, for example, IV fluid.  But
> it would
> take longer to deliver that dedicated donation than to either
> deliver their
> own stock or to purchase or get donated stock from a supply house.
> 
> Money donations are a faster way to get that IV fluid (or anything
> else) in
> place faster than a direct donation of the fluid (or whatever). 
> Large
> volume donations from suppliers are a different matter, and those
> suppliers
> should contact FEMA or the ARC headquarters.  Local chapters should
> be able
> to help coordinate such larger donations, as well - but they do
> that through
> National, so one may as well contact them directly.
> 
> Monetary donations earmarked for a specific tragedy, like this, are
> great,
> and welcome. Of better use are non-designated donations.  ARC keeps
> money
> and goods on hand to try to deal with emergencies immediately,
> rather than
> having to wait for the processing of earmarked donations.  That
> fund then
> needs to be replenished.  Americans tend to give amounts in
> proportion to
> the proximity of the tragedy to where they live.  As awful as 9/11
> was, much
> more money was earmarked for it than was needed.  Had it been
> available for
> general relief, many millions of earmarked dollars could have been
> immediately available for something like Katrina.
> 
> ARC fundraisers have a heck of a time trying to get the public to
> understand
> these concepts.  Frankly, we seldom tried.  But this is a
> brighter-than-public sort of list.
> 
> Easiest donation, if you want to give, is via the website:
> http://www.redcross.org/.
> 
> Giving directly on the ARC site keeps fundraising costs to
> minimum.
> Indirect donations often have hidden costs - sometimes necessary
> and
> ethical, sometimes not so much.
> 
> The 'Diaster Relief Fund' is the general emergency fund.
> 
> PS
> Charlie mentioned generators - if you're anywhere nearby, that's
> one thing
> that might be an efficient donation - you could 'lend' a generator,
> but I
> wouldn't count on getting it back in this chaos.  Farther away,
> contact your
> ARC chapter and ask.  Money will still get generators in place,
> though.  The
> huge problem is still transportation.  We've been wondering what
> took so
> long to get the amphibious vehicles moving into town.  There was
> only one
> day warning that the hurricane would hit where it did - I hope it
> was just a
> case of not enough time to deploy.  You know there are going to be
> investigations later.  Now it's just a joy to see them finally
> moving in.
> 
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Charles
> Paradise
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 9:14 AM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: [NAFEX] Do-It-0urselves Katrina Relief
> 
> Not a wild idea Tom has at all.  Here in Massachusetts, individuals
> are
> trying to help.  One working at a health food store is sending
> protein
> powder directly.  I had thoughts about this I wrote yesterday I
> quote myself
> as follows:
> 
> Brett Favre, quarterback of Green Bay Packers football team, native
> of the
> storm area, spoke yesterday saying even more urgent than food was
> need for
> generators to produce AC electricity.  110 degrees at night is too
> much to
> ask weak children sick or elderly to take.
> 
> If it were me trying to help directly, I'd call a clinic in the
> greater
> storm area, ask what delivery method is most likely to come through
> for
> them, ask who their medical supply company is, and pay directly for
> a big
> box of I.V. fluid.   As a second choice, join with others to pay
> for a
> generator and have it delivered to an aging association in the
> storm area
> least likely to get power back online soon.  I'd be willing to kick
> in a few
> bucks if someone wanted to get the ball rolling on this.  I do know
> people
> escaped from the storm to Houston who could advise about clinics,
> associations, etc.
> 
> If anyone would like me to call refugees from New Orleans now in
> Houston to
> inquire where something could be sent [like an elderly affairs
> organization]
> I will make the call, if asked.
> 
> Charlie Paradise, Massachusetts
> 
> 
> 
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