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  • From: "Richard MURPHY" <murphman108@msn.com>
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  • Subject: [NAFEX] Re: nafex Digest, Vol 29, Issue 20
  • Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:53:53 -0400

Hi Mark;
 
I've never seen Brome, nor Buffalo Grass, the latter's seeds are expensive.
I just planted an acre in tall fescue (KY 31) last year.
Good drought tolerance; grows real fast though...you'll be a mowin'.
Buffalo Grass might poop out in the fall, and be slow to green up in Spring?
I almost used creeping red fescue; hardy, doesn't grow real fast.
Probably should have...............
Has anybody put down 100% creeping red??
 
Richard
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Today's Topics:

   1. grass type for orchard? (Mark River)
   2. Re: grass type for orchard? (Charles Paradise)
   3. round head apple borer (Del Stubbs)
   4. RE: Bagging Apples Experiment - Questions (Nathan Torgerson)
   5. RE: Bagging Apples Experiment - Questions (Naomi)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:54:12 -0700
From: "Mark River" <mark@markriver.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] grass type for orchard?
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Hello, I'm planting a small hobby orchard (pawpaw, persimmon, peach, cherry, etc) into an old brome field. I am mulching 3' or so around each of the trees. Someone told me that brome is a bad companion for trees as its dense root system crowds out the tree roots. What type of grass is ideal for an orchard? Has anyone tried buffalo grass? I would like something that ideally I don't have to mow... How bad of a problem will I have if I leave the brome?

Thanks,
Mark
Manning, Iowa, zone 5a
 
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Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:09:33 -0400
From: Charles Paradise <machelp@attglobal.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Re: grass type for orchard?
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Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:15:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Del Stubbs <northernlights2n@yahoo.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] round head apple borer
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The fellow whose orchard I helped move called me to say he and a neighbor have a few
trees dead or dying apparently from 'round head apple borers'. They have tried the wire
stick-em technique, not satisfactorily. One univeristy fruit grower said to use chlordane
around the base. I guess they can still find some of the nasty stuff, and want any ideas
on minimalist application techniques such as.....spray just at ground level? only squirt
in holes? mix with oil?  How's about alternatives to chlordane?
He said one book described doing agressive digging into the tree...is this with a drill,
a gouge? How deep before the cure is worse than the disease?
I have noticed 3 young dead trees this winter here as well, haven't inspected thoroughly
yet - one disadvantage of the screen vole guard mine all have. Any thoughts most welcome,
Del MN

Del Stubbs  http://www.pinewoodforge.com   zone 3   N. MN

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:28:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nathan Torgerson <nathantorgerson@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Bagging Apples Experiment - Questions
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I have used the Baggies brand with twist-ties for four years with success (no cuts in the bags, but if water does collect in them, which happen to a few a year, I cut the corners slightly to drain the water.   I haven't been able to grow my apples as big as Naomi's, so I haven't had any bags break  :)    As mentioned by others, the advantage of using clear bags is that you don't remove the bags to ripen the apples, just pick them, bag and all, when they are ready and put 'em in the fridge. 

I usually try to bag as soon as the apples are big enough to hold a bag (the size of a dime, sometimes even smaller).  This year I bagged half my apples (about 50) on June 1st, which was later than I hoped (Zone 4 Minnesota).  While bagging I noticed that almost all of the apples were clean.  I finished my bagging on June 3rd, but by that time about 70% of the remaining unbagged apples had been damaged by plum curculio egg laying. Fortunately I had left the parts of the tree that needed thinning for last (due to laziness), so I was able to salvage enough of the remaining apples, picking off the ones that had been damaged. Does anyone know how bad a single plum curculio bite damages an apple? I've read that if the apple stays on the tree that the larvae die anyway because apples are too firm for them...but I wasn't going to waste time bagging it if it was already damaged.

All the articles I've read talk about bagging to help against the apple maggot (which shows up later) and post-blossoming codling moths attacks, but I hadn't heard anyone mention bagging to protect against plum curculio damage. It works if you bag early enough.  I bagged my pears this year for that reason. (Last year the handful of pears I ripened well).

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:35:10 -0600
From: "Naomi" <dragon-star@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Bagging Apples Experiment - Questions
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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It was the Gravenstein.  The others were okay.
 
I never thought of putting them in the bag in the fridge.
Naomi

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Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:29 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Bagging Apples Experiment - Questions



I have used the Baggies brand with twist-ties for four years with success
(no cuts in the bags, but if water does collect in them, which happen to a
few a year, I cut the corners slightly to drain the water.   I haven't been
able to grow my apples as big as Naomi's, so I haven't had any bags break
:)    As mentioned by others, the advantage of using clear bags is that you
don't remove the bags to ripen the apples, just pick them, bag and all, when
they are ready and put 'em in the fridge. 

I usually try to bag as soon as the apples are big enough to hold a bag (the
size of a dime, sometimes even smaller).  This year I bagged half my apples
(about 50) on June 1st, which was later than I hoped (Zone 4 Minnesota).
While bagging I noticed that almost all of the apples were clean.  I
finished my bagging on June 3rd, but by that time about 70% of the remaining
unbagged apples had been damaged by plum curculio egg laying. Fortunately I
had left the parts of the tree that needed thinning for last (due to
laziness), so I was able to salvage enough of the remaining apples, picking
off the ones that had been damaged. Does anyone know how bad a single plum
curculio bite damages an apple? I've read that if the apple stays on the
tree that the larvae die anyway because apples are too firm for them...but I
wasn't going to waste time bagging it if it was already damaged.

All the articles I've read talk about bagging to help against the apple
maggot (which shows up later) and post-blossoming codling moths attacks, but
I hadn't heard anyone mention bagging to protect against plum curculio
damage. It works if you bag early enough.  I bagged my pears this year for
that reason. (Last year the handful of pears I ripened well).

Nate


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