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  • From: "Brungardt, Sam" <Sam.Brungardt@state.mn.us>
  • To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: RE: [NAFEX]Ribes odoratum 'Crandall'
  • Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:12:52 -0600

Title: RE: [NAFEX]Ribes odoratum 'Crandall'

I've always thought that because the authenticity of the Crandall that's available in the trade is questionable, it would be worthwhile to run tests at several locations around the U.S. of Crandall from various sources to see whether any one stands out.  There must have been something special about the initial selection.

I have one plant of Crandall in my yard here in St. Paul, Minn., which is extremely productive but ripens very late, August-September.  Perhaps this is due to its being in a location that does not receive full sunlight all day.  In western Kansas, where I was reared, we picked wild R. odoratum at the end of June and beginning of July, the same time we were generally harvesting winter wheat.  Or perhaps we were picking R. aureum?  Seems that the two species are easily confused and some authorities say they're one and the same.  One thing I've noticed about the Crandall selection I have (I think it may be from Bear Creek) is that its blossoms seem considerably less fragrant than the wild currants we have on our farm in Kansas.  There you can smell the fragrance of a patch of currants in bloom from quite a way off. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn. (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b)

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of loneroc
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:49 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX]Ribes odoratum 'Crandall'


There seems to be any number of seedling Ribes odoratum around under the 'Crandall' name.  Does anyone have material that they believe is true to name?  Or perhaps 'Crandall' is now so confused that it'd best be abandoned. If there is no true to name stuff, perhaps new and improved odoratum is floating around in someone's currant patch?

Steve Herje, Lone Rock, WI


----- Original Message -----
From: <list@ginda.us>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Early Bloomers--Bee Feeders


>
> On Jan 22, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Moyer, Richard wrote:
> . . .
> > The Ribes also do well as early-mid spring bloomers, if you can get
> > them.  R. odoratum 'Crandall' is a tough native with exquisite scent
> > that blooms with or soon after forsythia. Aka clove currant, this
> > one if very resistant to rust and mildew.
> >
>
> St. Lawrence Nurseries carries these (http://www.sln.potsdam.ny.us/
> I also got some from Miller, who sold them to me as "Prince Consort
> Currant:  finally the taste of the real European black currant".  I
> don't know if this was a mistake or a deliberate deception on their
> part.  (It is not the "consort" black currant, nor is it the same
> species as the European black currant.  It tastes pretty different,
> too.)
>
> The fruit is pleasant out of hand, and makes a nice pie (especially
> mixed 50/50 with apple - you need to freeze the currant to do this as
> the seasons don't match) but I admit I get the most pleasure out of
> this plant in the spring, when it perfumes the air with a gentle clove
> scent and brightens the landscape.  It blooms very early in eastern
> Massachusetts, a little after forsythia.
>
> Ginda
>
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