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["Peter Knop" <knop@erols.com>]

We have just collected quite a few (20 ?) bushels of osage orange and maybe
12 bushels of Poncirus trifoliata - they are all pretty rotten. The Poncirus
seeds looks beautiful - any suggestions on best way to store them?  How long
do they last in a freezer?  We store 95% of our seeds at 0 degrees F and it
works wonderfully - we can get ten years from a seed, where stored on the
shelf we get at best two.
    On the Osage (Maclura pomifera), MANY of the seeds have already rotted
(or been infested with some sort of tiny bug??). If the fruit is still
greenish/yellowish, seeds seem to be fine, BUT hard to separate.  Any
suggestions on separation, as well as storage?  We would like to hold some
over for next year - not to mention next year we want to harvest a lot more
and to prevent the losses we have had this year to "rot" or "bugs" will
"process" sooner and then store the seed.
     In the past when using for nursery, we just put the "oranges" in a
freezer for a few days, then mushed hem down by foot on a hard surface and
then spread the resulting slabs of the orange (maybe 1" thick) on the ground
and threw some dirt (1") over them.  This works for a few thousand
seedlings, but not so good for more.
    OR do we simply prepare seeds in fall and plant directly then..... (Fall
is a terrible time with our work, so would prefer to do it later - though I
guess it all comes down to organisation.... But if we want to give seed away
or sell it, what then??  Guess store in freezer??.....
     Note: the "oranges" which have more or less gone bad, were those
exposed to lots of air (top two layers in a 25 gallon plastic container
whioch I call "bushel basket")...... interesting.  On the Poncirus, maks no
difference - ALL the seeds seem to be in perfect shape....
  Peter
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>    1. Re: Apple wood (Andrew Bell)
>    2. RE: Apple wood (Brungardt, Sam)
>    3. Re: Apple wood (loneroc)
>    4. Re: Trying to reach Kevin Bradley (loneroc)
>    5. Re: Apple wood (loneroc)
>    6. Tree suggestions (Michael D. Bathrick)
>    7. Re: Apple wood (Lucky Pittman)
>    8. Re: Tree suggestions (Lucky Pittman)
>    9. Re: Tree suggestions (Richard O'Barr)
>   10. RE: Tree suggestions (Michael D. Bathrick)
>   11. RE: Tree suggestions (JoanRRosenberg@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:34:51 -0600
> From: Andrew Bell <acbell@iastate.edu>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Apple wood
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> At 06:15 PM 2/19/2004, you wrote:
>
> >    The point of all this is to ask if there are any woodworkers/carvers
who
> >have used apple, and if you have noted, as I did, variations according to
> >the variety of apple.
>
> Fruit wood isn't really commonly used for woodworking, but people use it
on
> occasion.  Mostly, it is hard to get, and it is small.  If the tree dies
or
> is replaced when it is 8" in diameter, you aren't going to get a lot of
> lumber out of it.  Also, most trees grown for fruit are pruned and spread
> to allow for good light penetration, etc.  Most are dwarf with low
> limbs.  This doesn't tend to yield much lumber.
>
> All this being said, Mario Rodriguez, one of the woodworking handtool
> gurus, did a beautiful clock out of pear wood in an article a few years
> ago.  Had me looking for pear wood, but it's not easy to find in hardwood
> lumber stores.
>
> Didn't really answer your question, did I :)
>
>
> -- Andrew Bell
> acbell@iastate.edu
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>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:45:04 -0600
> From: "Brungardt, Sam" <Sam.Brungardt@state.mn.us>
> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Apple wood
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> You might also ask Del Stubbs about his experiences using fruit wood.  He
and his wife are both very accomplished carvers/turners. -- Sam Brungardt,
St. Paul, Minn. (USDA zone 4b)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Bell [mailto:acbell@iastate.edu]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 11:35 AM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Apple wood
>
>
> At 06:15 PM 2/19/2004, you wrote:
>
> >    The point of all this is to ask if there are any woodworkers/carvers
who
> >have used apple, and if you have noted, as I did, variations according to
> >the variety of apple.
>
> Fruit wood isn't really commonly used for woodworking, but people use it
on
> occasion.  Mostly, it is hard to get, and it is small.  If the tree dies
or
> is replaced when it is 8" in diameter, you aren't going to get a lot of
> lumber out of it.  Also, most trees grown for fruit are pruned and spread
> to allow for good light penetration, etc.  Most are dwarf with low
> limbs.  This doesn't tend to yield much lumber.
>
> All this being said, Mario Rodriguez, one of the woodworking handtool
> gurus, did a beautiful clock out of pear wood in an article a few years
> ago.  Had me looking for pear wood, but it's not easy to find in hardwood
> lumber stores.
>
> Didn't really answer your question, did I :)
>
>
> -- Andrew Bell
> acbell@iastate.edu
>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:48:31 -0600
> From: "loneroc" <loneroc@mwt.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Apple wood
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I have some rosybloom crabs that seem to produce rock rather than wood.
The
> wood is dense and reddish.
>
> Steve Herje, Lone Rock, WI
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
> To: "NAFEX" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:15 PM
> Subject: [NAFEX] Apple wood
>
>
> >    While pruning a tree with three varieties on it, I noticed that
Liberty
> > sprouts took noticeably more effort to cut than similar or even larger
> > shoots of Holstein.  Large shoots I could cut with hand pruners on the
> > Holstein needed a saw on the Liberty.  This made me wonder if anyone has
> > evaluated the traits of the wood of various apples.  Why, you ask?
> >    In "A Reverence For Wood" by Eric Sloane, he descibes how, in
Colonial
> > times, many things were made of apple wood because it was hard and
durable
> > when well cured.  I tried that with some apple crotches of about an inch
> in
> > diameter and found that they were quite strong when cured and made very
> good
> > hooks for hanging clothes.
> >    The point of all this is to ask if there are any woodworkers/carvers
> who
> > have used apple, and if you have noted, as I did, variations according
to
> > the variety of apple.
> > -Lon Rombough
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:50:44 -0600
> From: "loneroc" <loneroc@mwt.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Trying to reach Kevin Bradley
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> Try edibleforestnursery@edibleforestnursery.com
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George R" <georgeR@rogers.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:22 PM
> Subject: [NAFEX] Trying to reach Kevin Bradley
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I was trying to reach  Kevin Bradley about Asian Pears. But my mail was
> returned as Unknown user. Is there
> > anyway I can reach him?
> >
> > Thanks
> > George
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:54:59 -0600
> From: "loneroc" <loneroc@mwt.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Apple wood
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Try mdstubbs@paulbunyan.net
>
> or
>
> his website www.pinewoodforge.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brungardt, Sam" <Sam.Brungardt@state.mn.us>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 11:45 AM
> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Apple wood
>
>
> > You might also ask Del Stubbs about his experiences using fruit wood.
He
> and his wife are both very accomplished carvers/turners. -- Sam Brungardt,
> St. Paul, Minn. (USDA zone 4b)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew Bell [mailto:acbell@iastate.edu]
> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 11:35 AM
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Apple wood
> >
> >
> > At 06:15 PM 2/19/2004, you wrote:
> >
> > >    The point of all this is to ask if there are any
woodworkers/carvers
> who
> > >have used apple, and if you have noted, as I did, variations according
to
> > >the variety of apple.
> >
> > Fruit wood isn't really commonly used for woodworking, but people use it
> on
> > occasion.  Mostly, it is hard to get, and it is small.  If the tree dies
> or
> > is replaced when it is 8" in diameter, you aren't going to get a lot of
> > lumber out of it.  Also, most trees grown for fruit are pruned and
spread
> > to allow for good light penetration, etc.  Most are dwarf with low
> > limbs.  This doesn't tend to yield much lumber.
> >
> > All this being said, Mario Rodriguez, one of the woodworking handtool
> > gurus, did a beautiful clock out of pear wood in an article a few years
> > ago.  Had me looking for pear wood, but it's not easy to find in
hardwood
> > lumber stores.
> >
> > Didn't really answer your question, did I :)
> >
> >
> > -- Andrew Bell
> > acbell@iastate.edu
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:32:38 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Bathrick" <bathrick@berkshire.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Tree suggestions
> To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Finally, I have purchased enough land to plant a small orchard (about an
> acre).  Only problem is that there is a small spring on the property,
> and I am told the water table is quite high.  I walked the property in
> October, and didn't notice it as being swampy.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions as to what kind of orchard I could plant?  I
> was hoping for heirloom pear or peach, but not sure if there is a
> rootstock that would take the conditions.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:44:10 -0600
> From: Lucky Pittman <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Apple wood
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040220164051.01a75ea0@mail.murraystate.edu>
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> At 03:48 PM 2/20/2004 -0600, Steve wrote:
> >I have some rosybloom crabs that seem to produce rock rather than wood.
The
> >wood is dense and reddish.
>
> Several of the red-fleshed crabs in my collection also have red/purple
wood
> - Winter Red Flesh & Almata, don't recall exactly about some of the
others.
> Vic Caron sent me some wood from a seedling of Hampshire that she's
growing
> out, and it's got the darkest purple wood I've ever seen - looks like you
> squashed a pokeberry on it.
> I think I discussed this with Del at some time in the past, and he
> indicated that the pigment in those woods is not particularly stable, but
I
> can't swear that I didn't misunderstand/misinterpret him.
>
> There is a 'Deming's Purple' black walnut that has a red/purple tint, but
I
> don't know how stable that coloration is in the cured lumber.
>
>
> Lucky Pittman
> USDA Zone 6
> Hopkinsville, KY
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:48:49 -0600
> From: Lucky Pittman <lucky.pittman@murraystate.edu>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Tree suggestions
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> At 05:32 PM 2/20/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Anyone have any suggestions as to what kind of orchard I could plant?  I
> >was hoping for heirloom pear or peach, but not sure if there is a
> >rootstock that would take the conditions.
>
> It would be essential for us to know where you're located -
recommendations
> for, say, LA/TXmay be quite different from those for MI TN/KY, or the PNW
>
>
>
> Lucky Pittman
> USDA Zone 6
> Hopkinsville, KY
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:00:10 -0600
> From: "Richard O'Barr" <aatopgunaa@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Tree suggestions
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <015101c3f805$4b181420$be9daec7@59p7401>
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> Mayhaws will tolerate wet soil but prefer well drained for best growth.
>                    TG
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael D. Bathrick" <bathrick@berkshire.net>
> To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 4:32 PM
> Subject: [NAFEX] Tree suggestions
>
>
> > Finally, I have purchased enough land to plant a small orchard (about an
> > acre).  Only problem is that there is a small spring on the property,
> > and I am told the water table is quite high.  I walked the property in
> > October, and didn't notice it as being swampy.
> >
> > Anyone have any suggestions as to what kind of orchard I could plant?  I
> > was hoping for heirloom pear or peach, but not sure if there is a
> > rootstock that would take the conditions.
> >
> > Mike
> >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:55:08 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Bathrick" <bathrick@berkshire.net>
> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Tree suggestions
> To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Sorry - Upstate NY near Cooperstown.
>
> Mike
>
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> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lucky Pittman
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:49 PM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Tree suggestions
>
>
> At 05:32 PM 2/20/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Anyone have any suggestions as to what kind of orchard I could plant?
> >I was hoping for heirloom pear or peach, but not sure if there is a
> >rootstock that would take the conditions.
>
> It would be essential for us to know where you're located -
> recommendations
> for, say, LA/TXmay be quite different from those for MI TN/KY, or the
> PNW
>
>
>
> Lucky Pittman
> USDA Zone 6
> Hopkinsville, KY
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:07:36 -0500
> From: JoanRRosenberg@aol.com
> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Tree suggestions
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org (North American Fruit Explorers)
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> I have the same problem -   water table is 6-8 feet down.  You have to be
very careful with the rootstocks.  On my property I cannot grow Gisela (any
kind), or Mazzard, and Nemaguard suckers a tree to death. The apples don't
die, just don't fruit.  I found, of all apple rootstocks, Antonovka was the
best, if slow growing, and I just have to keep it pruned.  Try your peaches
on Citation, Lovell Peach, or Siberian C Peach.  You may have to just buy
and try several trees, same variety, different rootstock, and watch them for
3 years. Then you will know for sure.  JoanRRosenberg LI NY
>
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