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[Tom Olenio <tolenio@sentex.net>]

Hi Greg,

I debated on whether to send this to the list, or to you personally, but it 
is a point that
everyone should be aware of...

Today viruses are very sophisticated.  Many of the more current viruses will 
create a false
"envelope".  A  false envelope disguises where the email came from.  In other 
words the "FROM" is
a lie.  These false envelopes could be an email address from any email in the 
users INBOX,
ADDRESS BOOK, or it could get creative mixing addresses.  In the end you 
never know who really
sent the infected email.  The creators of these viruses are diabolical to be 
sure.

So if you cannot verify the sender of an virus laden email, how can a person 
be banned,or even
accumulate strikes against them?

I think this is a fair question for all to know the answer.

Thanks,
Tom

Greg Miller wrote:

> ARGHH!!!!!
>
> I sent the message to the list that was supposed to go to the person
> who was suspended and vice versa.  Sorry if anyone was upset by my
> error.
>
> Here's what I originally intended to send:
> GREG
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Dear List:
>
> The message below was sent to someone who passed a virus to the list.
>  Almost certainly it was an unintended, and careless, mistake.  This
> is the message YOU will get if you send a virus to the list.  I'll
> make the following points.
>
> 1.  There is no excuse in this day and age for not running an anti-
> virus program.  It is important to keep it updated, which for all but
> the obsessive-compulsive usually means AUTOMATIC UPDATES.  If you use
> email, use an anti-virus.  Some may choose to argue the point--that
> is your perogative.  You may wish to save your breath, however,
> because if send a virus to this list you get two tries (including a
> final two month BAN) before being permanently banned.  No exceptions--
> no points for effort or good intentions.
>
> 2.  IBIBLIO does not have an option that I can find that allows
> exclusion of attachments.  This is now the fourth server for this
> list, and while it's sure to generate some discussion, those offering
> suggestions for a move should be prepared to consider COST (are you
> willing to pay for this list?) and other options (privacy policy,
> advertisements, etc.)
>
> 3.  While most will get additional chances to set things right, why
> not do the thing that's easiest in the long run and use an anti-virus
> program?  It just doesn't make sense anymore not to use one.
>
> GREG MILLER
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Sorry, your computer is currently infected with the Klez virus.  In
> the overwhelming majoirity of cases viruses are propagated
> unwittingly by users with no malicious intent.  However, it is your
> responsibility to clean up this infection before you resubscribe to
> the list.  DO NOT PANIC.  Although it is an unpleasant education, it
> is possible with minimal to moderate effort to get back to normal.
>
> The presumption is NO ILL INTENT on your part.  You are almost
> certainly an innocent victim.  Do not feel the need to apologize to
> the list.
>
> There are multiple steps that you can take to disinfect your
> computer.  Several of the antivirus sites (on the internet) have free
> cleaning programs, but I would advise you to run an antivirus in the
> background AT ALL TIMES HENCEFORTH.
>
> Since the Ibiblio list does not automatically remove attachments, the
> Klez virus was forwarded to subscribers of this list.  You have been
> unsubscribed from the list by the administrator to prevent the
> (almost certain) multiple bombardments that your email program will
> send out every time you start it up.  Send all communications to
> nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org, as you will no longer be able to send
> messages to the list.
>
> Do not resubscribe until you are CERTAIN that the virus has been
> cleansed from your system.  It is unlikely that you can clean the
> virus by normal file operations (file deletions, etc.) and are
> strongly advised to get a specialized program (Do a google search for
> "KLEZ" and you will get multiple links.  One I can advise is
>
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@mm.
> html
>
> Look for the tool to clean your system.
>
> IF YOU REJOIN THE LIST AND THE KLEZ VIRUS IS RETRANSMITTED FROM YOUR
> ADDRESS YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS WILL BE PLACED ON THE "BANNED" LIST AND
> YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RESUBSCRIBE.  THIS BAN WILL BE IN EFFECT FOR
> TWO MONTHS TO ALLOW YOU TO TAKE FURTHER STEPS TO CLEANSE YOUR
> COMPUTER. IF YOU RESUBSCRIBE AFTER THE BAN IS LIFTED AND THE KLEZ
> VIRUS IS *ONCE MORE* RETRANSMITTED THAT EMAIL ADDRESS WILL BE
> PERMANENTLY BANNED.
>
> This may sound harsh (although others might say to lenient) but as
> there are good solutions to prevent the KLEZ virus from being spread,
> you should get it fixed the first try, and if you don't get it fixed
> the second try, you will need to resubscribe under a different email
> address.
>
> Good luck and best regards,
>
> GREG MILLER
> List admin-
>
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--
Thomas Olenio
Ontario, Canada
Hardiness Zone 5b