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  • From: "philip sauber" <mrtejas@lycos.com>
  • To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Quest(s) for edible trifoliate orange.
  • Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 18:56:08 -0500

Ginda
I have an edible citrange about 3 feet tall. A friend discovered it in a
batch of flying dragon seedlings. It is a likely cross of flying dragon
trifoliate with an unknown sweet orange. The tree is a ringer for flying
dragon with all the fishhook style thorns, the fruit is seedless and edible
as a lime substitute. One wag has named it dragon lime.
Phil
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DATE: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:26:22
From: list@ginda.us
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc:

>That's very interesting. Lots of people have written about how you
>can't even use trifoliate in a hybrid because the flavor is so
>terrible. It sounds like this might be a good source for breeding
>stock for an edible hybrid between trifoliate and something that tastes
>good. It might not be as good as what you can grow in the south, but
>as you say. . .
>
>My meyers lemon produced really tasty fruits this year, despite never
>getting really hot weather. It actually ripened them in the house over
>the winter. Maybe also good breeding stock?
>
>Ginda
>
>On Sunday, May 11, 2003, at 09:19 PM, Moyer, Richard wrote:
>
>> Jim Nottke wrote:
>> Keith,
>> Please let me know if you find a source of Satsuma budwood - I'd like
>> to
>> try them high on a few of the 1100 trifoliate orange that I have here
>> near
>> Winston-Salem, NC. My oldest tree is about 60 years old and 25 feet
>> tall.
>> Jim.
>>
>> Phil Sauber wrote:
>> Trifoliate orange fruit is definitely inedible and one would be
>> dreaming to
>> think you could make marmalade with it, it is so full of seeds there
>> isn't a
>> teaspoon of pulp per fruit!
>>
>> My response:
>> Here in Zone 6 East Tenn, beggars can't be choosers for citrus. Hence
>> am
>> growing trifoliate from edge of Augusta National Golf Course, former
>> site of
>> Fruitland Nursery, founded by Berkman family about 1840. Around 1845,
>> Berkman imported chinese trifoliate, according to M. Dirr, Manual of
>> Woody
>> Landscape Plants. I presume the plants still there are seedlings of
>> the
>> original. As for taste, my kids eat them and ask for more, though
>> they do
>> enjoy sour items.
>>
>> Many (most?) trifoliate are extremely bitter, easily inducing nausea.
>> Flesh
>> from Augusta source is not, though other's I've tried had me on the
>> verge of
>> vomiting. Augusta fruit still about the size of a golf ball to larger,
>> seedy, gummy, but still with recognizable citrus flavor. (Folks in
>> Zone 9,
>> I sense your laughter, derision and pity.)
>>
>> Adam and Sue Turtle and Hidden Springs are two locations I know of
>> testing
>> for edible types and coldhardiness.
>> Jim Nottke, fascinated in what you've observed with 1100?? trifoliate
>> near
>> Winston-Salem over the years.
>>
>> As for size, Ethan N. noted a source in Houston of much larger
>> trifoliate
>> fruit, at least the size of tennis ball, if I recall correctly.
>>
>> Phil, as for processing the fruit for marmalade, gumminess seems to be
>> the
>> problem over size and seediness. Donna Hudson and Lon Rombough have
>> commented on the gumminess problem in a thread several years ago.
>>
>> Though March freeze wiped out our early trifoliate blooms, we still
>> have a
>> few dozen fruit from later blooms on two trees, with several more too
>> young
>> to bloom. These trees are hardy above ground well below zero without
>> protection; Hector Black noted bloom and fruit after -17 F. Our bigger
>> problem is late March/April freezes. Jim, do you have any with higher
>> chill?
>>
>> Would enjoy any and all input on edible trifoliate production in Zone
>> 6-7.
>> Thanks,
>> Richard Moyer
>> Zone 6, East Tenn, 1800'
>> Strawberry season!
>>
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