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From: "Robert L. Bates" <bob@phylsellens.com>
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [NAFEX] Re: geckos
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:31:20 -1000

Hello,
Out here in Hawaii we have geckos all over the place. The brown ones
have almost all been destroyed by the bright green ones with 3 red
dots on their back.

Hi Ginda,
My mother had a gecko living in her apartment, near Ottawa, for about two
years. We took it to be a gecko, anyway. It had arrived in a potted plant,
an hibiscus. It was very discreet, loved to bathe in the sun on the window
sill, changed color with the environment (went from brown while lying on a
branch, grey on the window sill and turned instantly bright green when
eating cabbage worms. A big treat, which he took days to digest. He
absolutely refused potato beetles, maybe because it was not in its colour
palette to turn bright red. He also ate all the little flying insects, flies
off course, and got water from the plants in the window. When he ate too
much, he would grow and I think he would shed his skin, which appeared to be
a "painful" process, making him quiet and listless for a few days. His
territory was limited to the window sill, the potted plants and sometimes
the back if a couch nearby. It seems hard to believe that he would actually
eat cockroaches. Are they not too big and bony?
Hélène, zone 3
Where the winter
has not been so cold for a long time.

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Subject: [NAFEX] Apples & Kaolin
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Doreen, We have used Kaolin now for about 4 years I guess in Watertown, WI. I have gotten used to eating kaolin apples off the tree, I just rub it off on my shirt, I'm not too concerned about it since apparently there isn't anything toxic in it. We don't sell the apples commercially, only to CSA members who are educated on the subject and don't seem to mind much after an initial complaint.When we make cider, (I hope you can still make it to our cider pressing in October even though you're moving) we put the apples in a trough of water with a little chlorine and clean the apples off with a rag. It takes about two seconds per apple. (We do this not so much to remove the kaolin but rather the dirt, I suspect that since the kaolin has some type of a detergent, and also some type of oil, (I suspect palm or coconut oil), that it may not be the best cider if all the kaolin were left on although I don't think that the kaolin itself would be a problem, probably just sink to the bottom of the cider, may even have a clarifying effect.

I recall someone mentioning that there is a commercially viable method of
removing the kaolin, I believe the subject came up on this forum sometime in
the last two years, but that it wasn't possible to remove it from the calyx
and stem areas. I think that such apples wouldn't sell at all in a regular
supermarket but here in Madison they would do fine at least I suspect so, in
the coops where people actually read informative notices about the produce. I
could ask the produce people at a couple coops next time I go if there has
been a problem with public acceptance of kaolin, yes I think I'll do that,
I'd like to know myself.
Kevin Bradley

www.edibleforestnursery.com
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>We have used Kaolin now for about 4 years I guess in Watertown, WI. I have gotten used to eating kaolin apples off the tree, I just rub it off on my shirt, I'm not too concerned about it since apparently there isn't anything toxic in it. We don't sell the apples commercially, only to CSA members who are educated on the subject and don't seem to mind much after an initial complaint.When we make cider, (I hope you can still make it to our cider pressing in October even though you're moving) we put the apples in a trough of water with a little chlorine and clean the apples off with a rag. It takes about two seconds per apple. (We do this not so much to remove the kaolin but rather the dirt, I suspect that since the kaolin has some type of a detergent, and also some type of oil, (I suspect palm or coconut oil),  that it may not be the best cider if all the kaolin were left on although I don't think that the kaolin itself would be a problem, probably just sink to the bottom of the cider, may even have a clarifying effect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I recall someone mentioning that there is a commercially viable method of removing the kaolin, I believe the subject came up on this forum sometime in the last two years, but that it wasn't possible to remove it from the calyx and stem areas. I think that such apples wouldn't sell at all in a regular supermarket but here in Madison they would do fine at least I suspect so, in the coops where people actually read informative notices about the produce. I could ask the produce people at a couple coops next time I go if there has been a problem with public acceptance of kaolin, yes I think I'll do that, I'd like to know myself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin Bradley</FONT></DIV>
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[NAFEX] Re: geckos, Robert L. Bates, 02/26/2003