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["Pete Benfield" <pete@cmpsource.com>]

Hi Group
I planted 2 Chinese chestnut seedlings from Mellingers' last fall. No sign
of growth yet...I am in z 8b about 50 Mi north of New Orleans. Think they
will do any good?
I have never eaten a chestnut , nor have I seen any nuts that were any good
around here.(no meat or they were hard as rocks)
Also: when I get the email updates, many , many e mails are enclosed....even
the old ones....is this thing working correctly....do you all get a long
list of e mails also ?
Thanks , Pete  (NAFEX)
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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: chestnuts
           From: mIEKAL <dtv@mwt.net>
      2. RE: Re: chestnuts
           From: "Erdman, Jim" <erdmanj@uwstout.edu>
      3. hardiness map for Japan
           From: Scott & Lorena Breneman <buretachi@juno.com>
      4. Re: Re: chestnuts
           From: mIEKAL <dtv@mwt.net>
      5. outreach
           From: mIEKAL <dtv@mwt.net>
      6. Re: Next Pomona Gathering editor
           From: "victoria l. caron" <vicaron@gis.net>
      7. Re: Biological pest control
           From: Joe and Ellen Hecksel <jhecksel@voyager.net>
      8. Invasive species, slightly off-topic
           From: Joe and Ellen Hecksel <jhecksel@voyager.net>
      9. Re: Next Pomona Gathering editor
           From: jakuehn@yourinter.net
     10. Re: Re: chestnuts
           From: jakuehn@yourinter.net
     11. Re: Re: chestnuts
           From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch@vsnl.com>
     12. Re: hardiness map for Japan
           From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch@vsnl.com>
     13. Re: Re: chestnuts
           From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs@hotmail.com>
     14. Musser Forest toll free
           From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs@hotmail.com>


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Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:32:28 -0600
   From: mIEKAL <dtv@mwt.net>
Subject: Re: chestnuts

> DocKW@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Although I know of people claiming to have chestnuts in Maine, I believe
they
> > have microclimates that allow these to survive in this northerly
climate;
> > perhaps they are coastal.  In my reading I believe the native American
> > Chestnut was growing as far north as northern Massachusetts.

there is a native stand of chestnuts unaffected by the blight, in the
experimental forest outside of LaCrosse, WI....  without a doubt we are hard
core zone 4.  I still havent wandered over there to see them, shame on me.
mIEKAL



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Message: 2
   Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:49:48 -0600
   From: "Erdman, Jim" <erdmanj@uwstout.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: chestnuts

There is a chestnut tree in downtown Durand, cold edge of zone 4, (except
that it is in town not too far from the river) that we have gotten a few
nuts to plant from in past years.  Most years we aren't lucky enough to get
there when the nuts are still on the ground.
Did I read something about blight or other problems in the grove near
LaCrosse in the last couple of years, or was that another grove in Wis?

Jim Erdman, in Menomonie, WI


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From: mIEKAL
To: nafex@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/8/02 9:32 AM
Subject: [nafex] Re: chestnuts

> DocKW@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Although I know of people claiming to have chestnuts in Maine, I
believe they
> > have microclimates that allow these to survive in this northerly
climate;
> > perhaps they are coastal.  In my reading I believe the native
American
> > Chestnut was growing as far north as northern Massachusetts.

there is a native stand of chestnuts unaffected by the blight, in the
experimental forest outside of LaCrosse, WI....  without a doubt we are
hard
core zone 4.  I still havent wandered over there to see them, shame on
me.  mIEKAL



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Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:29:29 EST
   From: Scott & Lorena Breneman <buretachi@juno.com>
Subject: hardiness map for Japan

Does anyone know if there is a hardiness zone map for Japan?  Thanks.

Scott in PA


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Message: 4
   Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:06:44 -0600
   From: mIEKAL <dtv@mwt.net>
Subject: Re: Re: chestnuts

If Durand is near Menominee I would call that zone 3, or at least it was
zone
3 until the last 10 years or so.  I dont know much about the particular
stand
in the experimental forest other than Ive run into it in a number of
references in various literatures.  Why I havent gone & tried to find some
nuts, I dunno.  Its a beautiful woods that's is barely used.

mIEKAL



"Erdman, Jim" wrote:

> There is a chestnut tree in downtown Durand, cold edge of zone 4, (except
> that it is in town not too far from the river) that we have gotten a few
> nuts to plant from in past years.  Most years we aren't lucky enough to
get
> there when the nuts are still on the ground.
> Did I read something about blight or other problems in the grove near
> LaCrosse in the last couple of years, or was that another grove in Wis?
>
> Jim Erdman, in Menomonie, WI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mIEKAL
> To: nafex@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 3/8/02 9:32 AM
> Subject: [nafex] Re: chestnuts
>
> > DocKW@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Although I know of people claiming to have chestnuts in Maine, I
> believe they
> > > have microclimates that allow these to survive in this northerly
> climate;
> > > perhaps they are coastal.  In my reading I believe the native
> American
> > > Chestnut was growing as far north as northern Massachusetts.
>
> there is a native stand of chestnuts unaffected by the blight, in the
> experimental forest outside of LaCrosse, WI....  without a doubt we are
> hard
> core zone 4.  I still havent wandered over there to see them, shame on
> me.  mIEKAL



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Message: 5
   Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:11:22 -0600
   From: mIEKAL <dtv@mwt.net>
Subject: outreach

Just wanted to report that I went to the Midwest Organic Farming
Conference & met a number of fruit & nut crazies who all new of nafex
but had no idea that we're up on the net as a mailing list.  They all
seemed very excited & amazed that such a resource list existed,
especially when I told them how quick response time can be for specific
questions.  My feeling is that there is a lot of folks out there like
the ones I met who havent really entered the digital age yet, who would
love to join the list if only they new about it.   Both of the folks I
met had some great stories to talk about & one guy had 3 year old paw
paws outside of Ashland, near Lake Superior.  mIEKAL



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Message: 6
   Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 12:26:43 +0000
   From: "victoria l. caron" <vicaron@gis.net>
Subject: Re: Next Pomona Gathering editor

To my knowledge, no one volunteered to gather for the summer issue. I have
received several letters that I am forwarding to Jackie.
................vic

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Message: 7
   Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:06:35 -0500
   From: Joe and Ellen Hecksel <jhecksel@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: Biological pest control



Victor Patterson wrote:

> Joe:
>     I would also like an effective nontoxic control of curculio, at what
> stage in the life cycle is S. riobravis used?


No information available.  Sorry.  Other sites list nematodes as most
effective against larval stages as they are repelled by compounds in
beetle feces.  Nematodes can still enter adults via the breathing ports
(spiracles) but must somehow pole vault up to them.

Reading between the lines, I suspect curculio most vulnerable when
larvae leave fruit and drop to ground to pupate(sp?).  One problem with
S. riobravis is that it likes it *very* warm.  The smart money would
probably use a mix of several types of nematodes.  You are still out of
luck regarding adult curculio that migrate in from wild trees or
neighboring lots.

>Is your information from
> published studies or ongoing research?


Ooops.  My "research" is reviewing internet content.  "Research" is
really too grand of a word.  As an aside, this is a detour I took while
helping my sixth grader search for a science fair project.
Bioluminescence in target pests due to Heterorhabditidae bacteriophora
is the leading contender for the project.


Unfortunately, the site listed in the original post
http://www.agrobiologicals.com/scope.html
does not use straight HTML so you cannot drill through the site by
listing a simple address.

-Click Pest Control - Other
-Target Pest
-Scroll down to Curculionidae
-Curculio spp. listed under subcatagories/S. riobravis listed under
Target Pest section


The site simply lists Curculio ssp

Good luck!


>Where could I get a copy of the
> research?
>
> Thanks
>
> Victor
>


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Message: 8
   Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:07:47 -0500
   From: Joe and Ellen Hecksel <jhecksel@voyager.net>
Subject: Invasive species, slightly off-topic

Hi All:


There is a book Alien Invasion by Robert Devine.  The last chapter has a
list of the characteristics that many invasive plant species share.  The
author notes that the list is not definitive.  Species can be invasive
in one ecosystem but be well behaved in others.  Generally, plants are
more invasive in warmer climates.

The characteristics listed are:
-Seeds germinate with no special pretreatment
-Species can reproduce asexually
-Seeds produced copiously

A few personal observations.
-Invasive species often have wind borne seeds or fruit that birds relish.
-Many native species qualify as invasive (box elder, cottonwood).
-Invasiveness can mean that new species hybridizes freely with native
species/strains.
-Many of the features that make a species invasive (robust growth,
freedom from pests, ease of propagation) make them valuable domestic
plants.
-Homo sapiens are the most invasive species of all.


--
-Joe Hecksel, Homo sapiens living in Zone 5
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Message: 9
   Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 21:12:43 -0500
   From: jakuehn@yourinter.net
Subject: Re: Next Pomona Gathering editor

I'm the next one, for the Summer 02 issue.  By the way, the fall issue is
open for a good (or just a willing) gathering editor.

Jackie Kuehn
PO Box 29
Lucernemines, PA   15754

But send articles on email whenever possible; it's easiest for both of us.

Thanks!

Jackie

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Message: 10
   Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 21:15:58 -0500
   From: jakuehn@yourinter.net
Subject: Re: Re: chestnuts

A local nursery which advertises nationally, Musser Forests, sells American
chestnuts.  I have two of theirs growing in my yard; only about 3 years
old, but doing well.  Time will tell if they're resistant, or if we're in a
blight-free pocket here in northwestern PA (zone 5), or if they will
succumb to the disease.  It's worth a try, though!

Jackie Kuehn



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Message: 11
   Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:56:17 +0530
   From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch@vsnl.com>
Subject: Re: Re: chestnuts

Dear Mrs. Kuehn,

Please send me the e-mail and postal address of Musser Forests.  I want to
get in touch with them.

How aws your trip to India.  You did not write me after that.

Best regards,

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
Horticultural Consultant on Lesser Known Indian Plants
www.lesserknownplants.com
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To: <nafex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: chestnuts


> A local nursery which advertises nationally, Musser Forests, sells
American chestnuts.  I have two of theirs growing in my yard; only about 3
years
> old, but doing well.  Time will tell if they're resistant, or if we're in
a blight-free pocket here in northwestern PA (zone 5), or if they will
> succumb to the disease.  It's worth a try, though!
>
> Jackie Kuehn
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 12
   Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:05:09 +0530
   From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch@vsnl.com>
Subject: Re: hardiness map for Japan

You may contact Prof. Hiroshi Yamamura at hs-yama@4.dion.ne.jp .  He may be
able to provide one.

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
Horticultural Consultant on Lesser Known Indian Plants
www.lesserknownplants.com
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To: <nafex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 4:59 AM
Subject: [nafex] hardiness map for Japan


> Does anyone know if there is a hardiness zone map for Japan?  Thanks.
>
> Scott in PA
>
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Message: 13
   Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:35:47 -0500
   From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: chestnuts

www.musserforests.com

Gordon==============================


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From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch@vsnl.com>
Reply-To: nafex@yahoogroups.com
To: <nafex@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: chestnuts
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:56:17 +0530

Dear Mrs. Kuehn,

Please send me the e-mail and postal address of Musser Forests.  I want to
get in touch with them.

How aws your trip to India.  You did not write me after that.

Best regards,

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
Horticultural Consultant on Lesser Known Indian Plants
www.lesserknownplants.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <jakuehn@yourinter.net>
To: <nafex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: chestnuts


 > A local nursery which advertises nationally, Musser Forests, sells
American chestnuts.  I have two of theirs growing in my yard; only about 3
years
 > old, but doing well.  Time will tell if they're resistant, or if we're in
a blight-free pocket here in northwestern PA (zone 5), or if they will
 > succumb to the disease.  It's worth a try, though!
 >
 > Jackie Kuehn
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
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Flint, MI.


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Message: 14
   Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:37:18 -0500
   From: "Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Musser Forest toll free

1-800-643-8319

Quickest way to ask for catalog.
Gordon-========================


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From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch@vsnl.com>
Reply-To: nafex@yahoogroups.com
To: <nafex@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: chestnuts
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:56:17 +0530

Dear Mrs. Kuehn,

Please send me the e-mail and postal address of Musser Forests.  I want to
get in touch with them.

How aws your trip to India.  You did not write me after that.

Best regards,

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
Horticultural Consultant on Lesser Known Indian Plants
www.lesserknownplants.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <jakuehn@yourinter.net>
To: <nafex@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Re: chestnuts


 > A local nursery which advertises nationally, Musser Forests, sells
American chestnuts.  I have two of theirs growing in my yard; only about 3
years
 > old, but doing well.  Time will tell if they're resistant, or if we're in
a blight-free pocket here in northwestern PA (zone 5), or if they will
 > succumb to the disease.  It's worth a try, though!
 >
 > Jackie Kuehn
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
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Flint, MI.


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