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["edforest2010" <edforest55@hotmail.com>]

Tom,
Very interesting article, and very well written, the author allows you 
to try to figure it out along with him as one reads the article. 
Marvin Harris is my favorite enterpreter of human behavior, glad to 
see he's a source. I highly recommend that you all take the time to 
read it, its quite an intriquing read.
Funny though, you'd think that the production of cider would actually 
be more . . . well, there's no other word- "technoenvironmentally" 
efficient than beer, being that barley yields so poorly in comparison 
and requires so many more calories to produce. But the problem of 
transporting the apples to the city to have it processed may counter 
the efficiency of orcharding to some extent.
I kind of think that hard cider has fallen out of favor more due to 
his theory of the common man's identification with the poor German and 
Irish immigrants (beer and . . . whiskey or rum was it) as opposed to 
the Anglo Saxon Protestants traditional preference for hard cider. 
Perhaps somewhere along the line, after the Temperance period, hard 
cider was associated with not only the WASPs but the Brits as well, 
too "la- dee- da for our frontier values. Course, we had associated 
hard cider as being so essentially American too, log cabins and hard 
cider, before the Temperance. I guess it makes sense that the WASP's 
involvement in Temperance may be the connection to the falling out of 
hard cider. Then again, as he said, probly is a combination of lots of 
things all at once.  
But, come to think of it, I'm German and Irish, maybe I should be 
trying my hand at beer brewing instead. But I'll tell ya, the hard 
cider I just had, dry, light, it tastes as good as any wine I've had, 
(including the 50.00 bottle I once had bought for me).
Woodpecker and Woodchuck to my tastes, and I'm sorry if I offend 
anyone, is like cheap wine, in fact, well, worse, I really hate the 
stuff, it gives me a headache and tastes like bad soda pop. I am very 
pleased to see that real English cider is so very good. I think there 
is a huge market potential for real English cider. First you have to 
grow the right apples though. 
Thanks for the link Tom!
Kevin B






--- In nafex@y..., Thomas Olenio <tolenio@s...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Was curious about cider and went looking to see if Bulmer's hard 
cider was
> similar to what you discussed.  I found this very interesting paper 
on why
> cider fell out of favor in the U.S.;
> 
> mason.gmu.edu/~drwillia/cider.html
> 
> If you are a "conspiracy" minded person, you may latch on to the 
idea that
> beer manufacturers were behind a law passed that only hard cider 
without
> preservatives could be produced in the U.S., to ensure the sales of 
beer
> over hard cider.
> 
> From the paper, it would seem this is only one nail in the coffin of
> popularity of hard cider in the United States.
> 
> Interesting reading.
> 
> I have tasted Bulmer's hard cider and I enjoyed it.
> 
> Later,
> Tom
> 
> --
> 
> 
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, edforest2010 wrote:
> 
> > Finally! Had some real hard cider from England, with bittersharp
> > apples, dry, oak aged. It was delicious! I didn't think I'd like 
the
> > bitterness but it was barely noticeable. Apparently its fairly 
easy to
> > come by over there, many pubs carry it. And a lot of average 
citizens
> > still make their own still. Now that I know what its supposed to 
taste
> > like I can make my own accordingly. Mine was very good this year, 
like
> > champaigne though, very bubbly, next time I'll work on the bitter 
for
> > body taste and less carbonation and I think I'll get darn close.
> > Have a Merry Christmas!
> > Kevin B
> >
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