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["H.Dessureault" <inter.verbis@atreide.net>]

Doreen,
I just read your  interesting post and something struck me because it brings 
up a discussion that I am currently having with another member of this group. 
Since the subject is Apple Trivias, here goes. :)
We have a difference of opinion on the origin of the Williams Pride and I am 
expressing serious doubts about Purdue, etc. being the developpers of 
Williams Pride. I think, I have read somewhere that Purdue, etc. received the 
apple in 1983, for testing, and released it in 1988. I have heard several 
arguments to demonstrate that Purdue, etc. are the originator, which failled 
to convince me and you just provided another one with your list of PRI in the 
name of all their apples. So now, I know where the PRIde part of it came 
from. 
But, my point of view is that Williams Pride is a very old apple which was 
simply tested by Purdue, etc. and not developped by them, which is something 
else altogether. Maybe, they simply provided their approval as far as disease 
resistance goes. And the new name, too. Who knows!
Can you provide some light on this topic...
Do you know anyone, who could?
Thanks so much...
Hélène

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Doreen Howard 
  To: nafex@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:15 PM
  Subject: [nafex] Apples Trivia, What's Ripe, Etc.


  I just got back from a short trip to So. IL where the apples are ripening.
  This is important to me for two reasons:
  1.  I am an apple fanatic--eat a couple every day and love the diversity of
  flavors.
  2.  I currently don't have an apple tree

  I brought home Sanza, Ginger Gold, Geneva Early Crabs, Sterns, Pink Pearl
  and Rosemary Russet.  The Galas will be picked in the next couple of days.
  This orchard is Zone 5b, BTW.

  Here is an interesting tidbit sent to me by an apple expert that I thought
  I'd pass along to you apple enthusiasts.

  "Michael Pollen did a huge NY Times article about genetic diversity in
  apples a few years ago.  (But he had some of his facts wrong.  I checked
  this by calling Phil Forsline at Cornell who verified that Pollen had
  misquoted him as saying that the "antique" apples had greater disease
  resistance than newer ones.  That's a common misconception, so I was unhappy
  that someone of Pollen's stature was perpetuating it.  Pollen probably still
  believes it but he didn't get it from Forsline.  Forsline's point that
  Pollen misunderstood was that the native apples in Kazakistan (where apples
  originated) seem to have evolved around the old world strains of scab.  They
  claim there are many trees of clean fruit in the wild apple forests in
  Kazakistan  (wouldn't you love to see that?!)  That is where the diversity
  in apple genes lies.  All cultivated apples (including the antiques) are
  from a very narrow slice of the gene pool.  You know the scab resitant trait
  (in Freedom, Liberty, the whole PurdueRutgersIllinois series - PRIma,
  PRIcilla, Sir PRIze, EnterPRIise, William's PRIde, etc.) was introduced from
  native American crabs.  That leads me to the theory that our native crabs
  had a chance to evolve around new world scabs.  Forsline says the old-world
  and new-world strains of scab are different."

  Doreen Howard




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