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["Gordon Nofs" <gc_nofs@hotmail.com>]

Ginda
   I understand what you are saying as to the weather. We have had cool wet 
weather and not much sun for about three weeks now. and the scions I have 
done are alive from that time, but are not pushing much. If I could get a 
few days of sun and in the seventies I believe that will change. It is 
supposed to happen this Sun and Mon at least. I have been holding back on a 
lot of grafting till warmer weather. Pawpaws, filberts and chestnuts are 
fairing quite well but very slow.
   Good luck.
      Gordon C. Nofs
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----Original Message Follows----
From: Ginda Fisher <ginda@concentric.net>
Reply-To: nafex@yahoogroups.com
To: nafex@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nafex] parafilm results
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:12:54 -0400

Yes, I overlapped them.  The ones I left uncovered were mechanically the
neatest of the lot, too.  But when I checked them a few weeks later, the
rubber had oxidized & developed that cracked, "old rubber band" look,
and the scions were dead.  Rather to my surprise, the ones covered with
a single layer of masking tape over the rubber mostly did well.   I also
did some with cloth tape covered with grafting wax, which did very well
until I tried to remove the tape.

I had worse luck this year.  Partly, the weather and my schedule didn't
cooperate.  Some were done too quickly in weather that was too cold.
Partly, I used the best grafting sites on my crab last year, and I used
branches that were less straight, and harder to match neatly.  I'm still
waiting to see how the ones done with strips of plastic bags did.  Most
are still alive but haven't sprouted.  I did this batch too late, so
that may be the problem.

Ginda

Gordon Nofs wrote:
 >
 > Ginda
 >   Are you overlapping you rubber strips? You have to have them streached
 > tight enough, and overlap on each wind. Are you using the 3/8 X 8 inch
 > rubbers. The small ones to me are useless.
 >         Gordon
 > *********************************************
 >
 > ----Original Message Follows----
 > From: Ginda Fisher <ginda@concentric.net>
 > Reply-To: nafex@yahoogroups.com
 > To: nafex@yahoogroups.com
 > Subject: Re: [nafex] parafilm results
 > Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:28:08 -0400
 >
 > I think budding rubbers do not protect the scion adequately without an
 > outer wrapper.  Last year I did dozens of grafts.  Some with just
 > budding rubbers, some rubber covered with masking tape, some rubber
 > covered with grafting wax, and some just masking tape.  I had better
 > than 90% take on all the grafts EXCEPT the budding rubber only ones.
 > Every one of these grafts dried up and died.
 >
 > Bud grafting may need less protection that tongue & whip type grafting.
 > I haven't tried that yet.
 >
 > Ginda Fisher
 >
 > dwalsh/wchase wrote:
 >  >
 >  > Mark,
 >  >
 >  > If you are tying the scionwood and r/s together with budding rubbers, 
you
 > don't
 >  > need parafilm.
 >  >
 >  > I think those using parafilm use it instead of rubbers.
 >  >
 >  > Mail delivery scionwood and mail delivery rootstocks, if in poor
 > condition would
 >  > certainlybcontibute to your lack of success.
 >  >
 >  > Why not check out the West Cascade Fruit Society centered in Seattle?
 > They have an
 >  > Annual Meeting in Puyallup or thereabouts each year and sell 
rootstocks
 > and
 >  > scionwood and other grafting supplies.
 >  >
 >  > The WCFS also has a really good Fall Fruit Show. Last year it was in
 > Tukwila.
 >  >
 >  > The last newsletter I can find is Fall 2000 ... Evelyn Troughton has 
been
 > the
 >  > newsletter editor for years, her email address is   
etroughton@juno.com
 > she will
 >  > direct you to the current Executive.
 >  >
 >  > If you don't get a response, email me privately and I'll give you some
 > addresses
 >  > other members of 2000 Executive.
 >  >
 >  > Cheers,
 >  >
 >  > Derry
 >  >
 >  > Derry Walsh & Bill Chase  email:wchase@interchange.ubc.ca
 >  > Aldergrove,  B. C.,  Canada
 >  > phone/fax (604) 856-9316
 >  > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
 >  > Home web page  http://www.interchange.ubc.ca/wchase/HTML
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 >  > ----- Original Message -----
 >  > From: "Mark Lee" <piper3@uswest.net>
 >  > To: <nafex@yahoogroups.com>
 >  > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:51 AM
 >  > Subject: [nafex] parafilm results
 >  >
 >  > : I have used electrical tape for many years when doing grafts of
 >  > : apple.  I would typically have 80% of the grafts take.  One problem
 >  > : with the tape is when it is removed, the adhesive stick too well to
 >  > : the bark, and strips off a chuck of bark from the graft, killing it.
 >  > : When I leave the tape on, it girdles the branch and restricts
 >  > : development.  Two seasons ago I started using parafilm.  I hold the
 >  > : grafts together with budding rubbers and cover them with a single
 >  > : layer of parafilm.  Parafilm is easy to put on, and since it has no
 >  > : adhesive, it is easy to remove, eliminating my tape-related
 >  > : problems.  I did 10 grafts last year, with about 3 taking but
 >  > : eventually drying out.  This year I did 30 grafts, with about 5
 >  > : taking, but these too look like they will dry out and die also.  
With
 >  > : parafilm it looks like I will have no success with 40 grafts over 2
 >  > : seasons.
 >  > :
 >  > : Two things other than parafilm changed in the last two seasons, so
 >  > : parafilm may not be the cause of my failure.  Change #1: All of my
 >  > : scionwood was obtained through the mail, while previously I got the
 >  > : wood fresh locally.  Change #2: The rootstock was obtained through
 >  > : the mail, and the roots were not very abundant.  The roots planted
 >  > : this year are putting out lots of leaves below the graft, but above
 >  > : the graft are dried scionwood.
 >  > :
 >  > : For those of you having success with parafilm, any advice for me?
 >  > : Any suggestions or comments?
 >  > : Thanks,
 >  > : Mark Lee in Seattle
 >  > :
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