Mounted search and rescue

[Karen Nesbitt <spanishequines@yahoo.com>]

Hey everyone!  Thanks for the input on the NAIS both on the MSAR and off the 
record!!
  We all seem to agree, NO EAR TAGS FOR OUR COMPANION EQUINES!!  But there 
are pros and cons to the other forms of proposed ID methods as well as the 
whys to all the "madness" and the potential consequences of such a program.
   
  If there is anything I love is a good and lively discussion and a veiw from 
ALL SIDES!
   
  Here is little peak at some of the hype over the NAIS that I recently have 
received information on but due to space confinments here you will have to go 
to my blog to veiw them!  (Check my signature line below for that http and go 
to the blog and veiw the articles called NAIS ARGUEMENTS and ANIMAL ID -) 
   
  I have engaged some interesting conversations with people across the nation 
on this and from friends and clients up in Canada and there is alot to do 
about what some people might think is nothing!  It is more involved than you 
think!
   
  Karen Nesbitt
  Illinois - Unaffiliated
  Iroquois County


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Do not get me wrong, I do prefer mules over the horses.  If it did not take
horses to make mules, I would not have any.  We understand mules and how
they think so we do well with them.  There are a few draw backs to them and
the weaning is one of them.  When weaning horse babies, they do get a little
more agitated when weaned later than 5 months old.  Mules get extremely
agitated when weaned older than 5 months and slam into panels, crawl under
panels, Chew through ropes when tied out.  We have had them hit gates and
panels so hard and frequently that they scrape hide off their faces and
foreheads.  They scream and bray loudly.  It can be as bad as having a
corral full of weaning heifers with the noise.  I have had weanlings clear a
five and a half foot gate panel.  We usually tie 2 X 6 planks across above
the stall gates to make them taller to around 7 feet.  They do better when
weaning in a group, but for the first couple of days, they attack the other
animals in anger.  When the mare is where they can see or be heard by them,
it seems to prolong the problem.  We found isolation for the first day or
two by separating the weanlings in stalls next to each other and hauling the
mare off to another pasture where she cannot be heard by the foal.  We then
put the weanling mules and horses together in a corral for the rest of the
week.  After five days, they are back to normal and ready to accept some
guidance from us.  The only problem with having them together in a corral
for the last part of the weaning is then we have to wean them from each
other.  That is usually not as bad as from their dam.
Philip Easley
NCSSAR
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From: "Jorene Downs" <Jorene@CEOates.com>
To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Foal Watch


> From: "philip easley" <easleyranch@foothill.net>
> > What I have found with mule foals is they are violently opposed to being
> > weaned after 5 months.  They will bail over fences, gates, and panels
that
> > are not at least 6 feet tall if we wait too long to wean.  We have much
> > fewer problems weaning at 4 or 5 months.
>
> Interesting - I hadn't heard that regarding the mules. Does this tendency
> exist even when the weanlings are running with others for companionship?
Or
> when the mom is distant instead of visible?
>
> Extended family through my son-in-law  - the whole family is huge into
> backcountry packing, does MSAR Packing, etc. - has also bred for a few
> mules, but they normally wean at 4-5 months so they haven't had that
> experience.
>
> I know of agitated horse weanlings at initial separation who have crashed
> into gates, fences, and even tried jumping pasture fencing during weaning.
> Mules commonly do the fence jumping better, even as youngsters. ;-/
>
> We usually have a couple of foals born within a couple of months of each
> other and try to wean in pairs. We run those mares and foals on the same
> pasture pre-weaning, then when we remove the mares the foals have each
other
> for company. We also try to wean on the date recommended by the Farmer's
> Almanac when both foals are 4-5 months old. That combination normally
works
> well, and it is rare for us to have noisy, agitated weanings.
>
> Sometimes we'll also run a good babysitter retired mare or gelding with
the
> youngsters, particularly if there is only 1 foal ready to wean in that
> period.
>
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> Jorene Downs
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