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Re: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards
- From: "Jorene Downs" <Jorene@CEOates.com>
- To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards
- Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:22:56 -0700
----- Original Message -----
From: "David C. Kovar" <kovar@1srg.org>
Jorene,
You've raised a number of interesting points. Hopefully I'll cover them,
from my perspective, completely. Bear in mind that I wasn't necessarily
suggesting that someone start a new MSAR organization. I was simply
responding to your statement that a new MSAR organization would need to
depend on an existing "national" organization.
I reckon going through an existing large
SAR organization would get MSAR standards out and recognized by the SAR world
faster than a couple of people forming a new MSAR organization. I'm
betting if 1 MSAR organization gets formed, another will start up claiming
a "better way." That's the kind of thinking that occurred in SAR Dogs
standards, creating conflict, and I'm seeing potential for it happening here.
IMO, regardless of the source, if the minimum standards are reasonable for MSAR
I see no need to reinvent the wheel again and again in the name of healthy
competition. I don't see advantages for having multiple versions of MSAR
standards claiming they represent the "national standard" when the entire focus
of emergency / disaster response at the federal level is trying to narrow things
down to common ground.
With that "common ground" perspective,
the committee developing NASAR MSAR standards is making a point of reaching out
to as many MSAR riders as possible, acquiring input, so the resulting minimum
standards really will be applicable to all MSAR.
3) MSAR organization
Yes, there would be a lot of work involved in setting up an MSAR
organization.
Think financing, staffing, documentation,
equipment, labor, publicity, etc. Overhead.
4) Fundraising.
It isn't clear to me a) how much funding is required to accomplish this and
b) how much NASAR is really contributing to it.
Work in progress (volunteer) is being
supported by NASAR with them offering to provide communications for the
committee through conference calls, etc. NASAR also provides the conduit to
the public with their web presence, posting updates ... and in the next
rendition of their web site (in progress) will include a link to MSAR issues and
standards. NASAR is also providing article publication in SAR-related journals
regarding MSAR. Later NASAR will publish the final draft of the standards,
publicize, etc. As people become certified NASAR will issue that certificate and
maintain records.
2) "already has the ear of the feds regarding SAR standards". They do, along
with a lot of other organizations. Do they have more of an ear than the MRA?
NFTA? ATSM? National SAR typing was done by Titan, a defense department
contractor, not by the "national" association of search and rescue. (NASAR,
the MRA, and others got a word in eventually.) FEMA/DHS has much more say in
SAR standards.
Trained Volunteer resources to support
First Responders is a huge issue at the federal level - you find them mentioned
in every FEMA/DHL "How To" document being released at the national level for
local application - and for basic SAR I'd say NASAR has a big edge. Why? (I
mentioned this to you a few weks ago, so some of this is a re-run, David.
<g> ) NASAR is about to officially sign an agreement (at the conference
this week) with the national CERT (Community Emergency Response Team) program
under Homeland Security. CERT is a nationwide disaster-related training program
for volunteers. NASAR will be rolling out a nationwide program to CERT
graduates, providing basic SAR training.
Previously the only recognized partner
for the CERT program was Red Cross. NASAR is making a giant stride into
natiowide outreach and high visibility in SAR training, particularly in the
integration of SAR and disaster ... which is the direction of the SAR industry,
encouraged at the federal level. The CERT+NASAR partnering I predict will have a
big impact on SAR resources. (L.A. CERT has over 44,000 graduates. Imagine
if only 1% of them wanted the SAR training and how that changes the available
resources for SAR in that region!) Going forward I wouldn't be surprised
to see local SAR/MSAR teams recruiting from the CERT+NASAR trained graduates, or
even requiring that training prior to joining the SAR/MSAR team.
MSAR is perfectly capable of being an
effective resource during most kinds of disasters, even without disaster-related
training. Since most of the CERT training is a good cross-over into SAR
application, this just makes MSAR more versatile and valuable in either
environment. With the CERT+NASAR partnering, I see NASAR as becoming the
"leading by several lengths" front runner in the SAR industry for basic
training.
I suggested this CERT+NASAR
partnering over a year ago, and have been watching the progress. Yes, that
knowledge influenced my decision to work with NASAR for MSAR standards. My
perception is NASAR will have the "muscle" to build a nationwide network of
SAR/MSAR certified personnel ... and do it substantially faster than a new
/ emerging MSAR organization. And those who object to NASAR being described as
"nationwide" may find that status will be changing through partnering
with the CERT program.
YMMV ;)
Great discussion!!!
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Jorene Downs
Tulare Co, CA
SAR, MSAR, Swiftwater Rescue, US&R,
Technical Rescue, Cave Rescue,
Hasty Team, ICP
www.CEOates.com/sar
Tulare-Kings CERT Program Coordinator
www.tk-cert.org
Jorene Downs
Tulare Co, CA
SAR, MSAR, Swiftwater Rescue, US&R,
Technical Rescue, Cave Rescue,
Hasty Team, ICP
www.CEOates.com/sar
Tulare-Kings CERT Program Coordinator
www.tk-cert.org
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Re: [MSAR] NASAR MSAR Practical standards
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- Re: [MSAR] NASAR MSAR Practical standards, Vieths, 05/30/2004
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Re: [MSAR] NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
Slybarbara, 05/30/2004
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Re: [MSAR] NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
tm'-fi, 05/30/2004
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[MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
Jorene Downs, 05/30/2004
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RE: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
David C. Kovar, 05/30/2004
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Re: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
Jorene Downs, 05/31/2004
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RE: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
David C. Kovar, 05/31/2004
- RE: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards, Ian Vowles, 05/31/2004
- RE: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards, David C. Kovar, 05/31/2004
- RE: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards, Ian Vowles, 05/31/2004
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RE: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
David C. Kovar, 05/31/2004
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards, Jorene Downs, 05/31/2004
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Re: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
Jorene Downs, 05/31/2004
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RE: [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
David C. Kovar, 05/30/2004
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[MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
Jorene Downs, 05/30/2004
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[MSAR] Re: NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
tm'-fi, 05/31/2004
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Re: [MSAR] Re: NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
Jorene Downs, 05/31/2004
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Re: [MSAR] Re: NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
tm'-fi, 05/31/2004
- Re: [MSAR] Re: NASAR MSAR Practical standards, pennbo, 05/31/2004
- [MSAR] MSAR standards / NASAR MSAR Practical standards, Jorene Downs, 05/31/2004
- Re: [MSAR] Re: NASAR MSAR Practical standards, Jorene Downs, 05/31/2004
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Re: [MSAR] Re: NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
tm'-fi, 05/31/2004
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Re: [MSAR] Re: NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
Jorene Downs, 05/31/2004
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Re: [MSAR] NASAR MSAR Practical standards,
tm'-fi, 05/30/2004
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