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  • From: Todd Lister <toddlister1 AT gmail.com>
  • To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Market-farming] CCD, Imidacloprid, Oh My!
  • Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:26:02 -0400

Richard,
I am sorry if it seems I missed your point. I do not disagree with you at all. Truth is I have no experience with hives and don't know anything about this study. The thread originally was on Glyphosate and I am  rabid about the environment and what Monsatan has done and continues to do to us. I don't question your assessment one bit. In fact it sounds as though you are quite knowledgeable on the subject. I  believe what is happening to the bees is likely a result of agricultural practices. I condemn farmers who are not at least trying to move toward sustainability. They are complicit in these crimes. ANYONE who makes the least effort to learn about what these chemicals are doing and continues to use them, well.......... let's build some more coal burning power plants. We can use that clean coal the industry claims to have. It's like voting for Bush the second time around after it became apparent what was happening. Sorry, NOT!
Even with organics, I don't see much hope for the future of this planet. Money grubbing, self serving corporate interests that couldn't care less about the impact of their actions presently dramatically influence the government. 
For those with an objective mind this link shows just a small piece of the picture.
 http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/monsanto.html
A decade from now when all organic efforts have been ruined by GM drift and die-offs of large numbers of people, plants and animals is a common occurrence it will be too late. Mutations of species in the plant world will severely alter things. It is well underway today.  
It may sound selfish but as I am about to turn 60 I believe the future is about adaptation to the piece of garbage we have created.
 I grow strictly sustainably and am proud that I'm not part of the problem. That said, I have no illusions we'll fix this. Don't want to get into the politics of this but believe it's quite obvious to most thinking people who supports unobstructed profiteering by corp ag regardless of the impact.
Again, sorry if I offended you.
Todd
Veribest Farm
Vesta Ga



On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Richard Stewart <rstewart AT zoomtown.com> wrote:
On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:58 AM, Todd Lister wrote:

And so does that exonerate these chemicals in your mind?
Todd


This is a response to several people here and some hate mail I got off-list, not just Todd.

You really don't get it do you?  Where did I defend the chemical?

Seriously, its like driving my head against a wall.  Imidacloprid kills and weakens bees.  This has been known for decades and has been studied to the point that most studies almost seem redundant.  I seriously question the safety, overall, of the chemical, but that is not the issue here.

My criticism is that this study claims that they have found the cause of CCD.  It actually makes this claim and yet the results in the test hives do not even match the definition of CCD.  The study overall is HORRIBLE.  What worries me is that the media (and I hate using that term as it suggests something like "liberal media bias, which I think is absurd) regurgitates this poo on paper as fact.

To me this guy from Harvard is no different than someone loon suggesting Intelligent Design is an equal alternative to Evolution.  Its absurd.  But hey, its a paper from someone at a University with a degree or two so it MUST be gospel.

But lots of people drink the kool-aid willingly because hey, it fits the mold of what they think to be true.  Imidacloprid is bad therefore it has to be the problem.  What if CCD is something completely unknown but we stop because someone like YOU tolerates CRAPPY science?

What appalls me even more is that you'll probably criticize a study that had different results because Bayer funded yet have no problem tolerating a study that appears to have been influence by an Organic special interest company.

This is all coming from a me...a farmer than argues with his dad weekly about converting more conventional ground to chemical free, who uses ZERO treatments on his bees, has taken the entire farm to ZERO pesticides and ZERO petro-chemcial fertilizers, and is, on his own dime, experimenting with establishing methods of solid commercial companion planting for natural pest control and freely disseminating that information at NO charge.

I simply expect better...and for that I am attack.  I am not angry, but I do find it all amazing.

Richard Stewart
Carriage House Farm
North Bend, Ohio

An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855




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