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  • From: "Kathy Timperley" <ktimperley AT npsne.org>
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  • Subject: [Market-farming] surround on Japanese beetles
  • Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:39:59 -0500

I'm here in Northeast Nebraska and have just about given up on eggplant and potatoes because of the Japanese beetles.  White buckets of water get some but not all, and they attack the brasssicas as well.  Does anyone have any luck with controlling these hungry crtitters?
 
Kathy

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Surround and Naturalis (bcluton AT aol.com)
2. Re: Pyganic was squash bugs and cucumber beetles (Sean Albiston)
3. Re: Surround and Naturalis (Wyatt Jones)
4. Untreated Seed Corn sources (Wyatt Jones)
5. Re: Untreated Seed Corn sources (Road's End Farm)
6. Re: Surround and Naturalis (Bobbett)
7. Re: Grapes (Richard Stewart)
8. Re: Pyganic was squash bugs and cucumber beetles (Allan Balliett)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:38:02 -0400
From: bcluton AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Surround and Naturalis
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Ditto to Surround being great on Eggplant. ?It seems particularly effective because the leaf surface really holds the Surround well. ?They also don't throw new leaves out quite as quickly so the coverage lasts a bit longer. ?We can plant Eggplant without row cover which was impossible before.



As per the dilution on the Pyganic I don't recall the specs off hand but I just go with the MFR specs. ?The handy measuring spout is nice. ?And the higher concentration Pyganic is a better value dollar for dollar. ?I'm not really sure why they offer the lower concentration other than perhaps trying to maintain some price point on that product line. ?It's quite a bit less bang for your buck.




Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Balliett <aballiett AT frontiernet.net>
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sun, Aug 9, 2009 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Surround and Naturalis








>If Surround does so well on flea beetles with brassicas, I wonder
>how it would do on Eggplant.

It is GREAT with eggplant. We used to use it on egg plants back in
the early years of Surround, back when the USDA used to give it to us
for free... to trial. -Allan in WV
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:23:36 -0500
From: Sean Albiston <lab AT physics.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Pyganic was squash bugs and cucumber
    beetles
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Pyganic has a terrible shelf life from my experience, even cool dark
doesn't slow its loss of value.


On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:36 AM, growbd AT aol.com
> Planet Natural has gallons of Pyganic for $204 http://www.planetnatural.com/site/order.html?id=rDmUPVQ8:24.44.177.98
> (+ shipping, of course). The product label says a gallon treats 8
> acres.
>
> This stuff really does work...however, I do hope you are all
> spraying after the honeybees have retired for the evening as it
> knocks them down too. We can't knowingly add to all the things
> plaguing the girls.
>
>


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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:58:17 -0400
From: "Wyatt Jones" <wyatt_jones AT netzero.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Surround and Naturalis
To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Yes I use Biotelo on Eggplant Tomatoes, Melons, Squash, Cucumbers etc. it keeps the weeds under control for those and I either till or mow between, still have to cut down the stuff right next to the mulch but its not too bad, the edges of the row cover get all tangled in the weeds though and it gets hard to pull up which doesn't do the eggplant any good. I'm careful but accidents happen. The flea beetles don't seem to go for the eggplant till it gets larger. They haven't gotten them this year yet, and they are pretty big now, or at this farm at all but I've had a fair amount of problems with them in the past so I thought I'd ask about the Kaolin Clay (Surround) for future reference. Corn, I can till well enough but I kinda gave up on any greens onions and small stuff as I hoed and pulled in the rows but the crops came up with the weeds LOL. Then I just cut off the tops of the weeds with a sickle, I know this sounds crazy but the weeds did that to the cabbage but I simpl
y raised my bush hog just high enough to miss the cabbage and they did great, huge heads and no worms at all. Never had this many problems with weeds before but like I said the nitrogen is through the roof in this soil. I have 15 acres tillable and only have this sort of problem with a little less than 5 of them. I'm going to plant a smother crop there next year, maybe Sudan grass, but I planted some asparagus in part of it, which may have been a mistake. I'm thinking about burning the weeds after everything dies back to kill as many weed seeds as possible and mulching the heck out of that next year. The asparagus is growing fine but I ended up chopping some when I got in there to hoe so I let it go so I wouldn't do more harm than good. I used woven ground cloth on my strawberries, BIG mistake, the weeds grow right through it, not as bad but still bad enough and they are harder to pull, once in a while it rips a hole in it. I'm NOT putting herbicide down. Some people
have told me to do that, including an organic grower, and that is not an option. I'll get them under control but it might take a while. In the mean time I guess I won't grow things like onions, greens and carrots, except for a small plot for personal use, and use plastic for strawberries, its not the end of the world. I'm still feeling out this place. I planted melons even though it is heavy clay and these rains didn't do the muskmelons very well. Ok before all the mud but I guess my fears were true when I wondered if it drained fast enough. Watermelon is doing great, never better actually and the Asian melons seem to be doing fine as well Cucumbers, ok but so-so. I'll just put them up on the hill from now on.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:35:36 -0400
From: "Wyatt Jones" <wyatt_jones AT netzero.com>
Subject: [Market-farming] Untreated Seed Corn sources
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Anybody know good sources of untreated seed corn? I've tried a couple of places that said they could as long as I ordered early enough but both kept sending me treated even though I ordered back in the middle of December. I'd send it back and they would send me more treated until they told me it was too late to get it and I wasn't happy about it. I ended up having to order Polka, an early synergistic corn, from Johnny's and though its good the ears aren't the huge nice package of the late corn people expect and most won't try it though its better than everybody else's around here for flavor. The ones that have tried it say its the best around but getting them to try it is difficult. I sell a lot in Yellow springs, a liberal college town near here as the other people selling corn spray with chemicals and I don't as I'm transitioning the land to organic but the country market is a whole different story. Fingerling potatoes same story, sell out in Yellow Springs and sell n
one in the country although some have bought my Rose Finns when their kids thought they were cool because they thought the potatoes looked like little monsters LOL. Hey as long as I don't have to compromise my principles I'll take a sale any way I can. Johnny's has Montauk sweet corn but its extremely expensive!! I'm looking for synergistic or triplesweet corn both white and bicolor. I ordered Avalon and Serendipity, good corn but doesn't do me any good unless I can get a reliable untreated source. One with an organic treatment like Johnny's Natural II is even better but I'm not pushing my luck. I got Polka treated with that and it came up in pretty cool soil. I'll probably order Polka again as it is an excellent 67 day corn, very good, about as sweet as one would want and keeps very well but I'd like to use it only for the early season as I'd really like to get one with a more attractive package as its hard enough competing with an established chemical farmer who ever
ybody has been buying from for the last 40 years even if his corn isn't as tasty. Luckily he only sells sweet corn so I'm getting the other business
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:33:26 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87 AT frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Untreated Seed Corn sources
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On Aug 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Wyatt Jones wrote:

> Anybody know good sources of untreated seed corn?? [ . . . ] I'm
> looking for synergistic or triplesweet corn both white and bicolor.

OK, you've got Johnny's listing, apparently. Have you tried: (some of
these, E&R in particular, have treated as well as untreated seed, but
they've been pretty good about sending only UT if you request that)

E & R Seed, 1356 E 200 S, Monroe,IN 46772, no phone. An answering
service takes orders for E&R by phone 866-510-3337; fax 715-386-5423;
email, no website given: <eandrseed AT yahoo.com> Product information
only: 260-692-6827 (this is the warehouse number, and the one to call
if an order doesn't arrive correctly)

Fedco Seeds, PO Box 520, Waterville ME 04903-0520; 207-873-7333 no
phone orders; fax 207-692-1022; www.fedcoseeds.com
<questions AT fedcoseeds.com> (note they have order deadlines, much of
seed is not available this time of year; but presumably you'd be
ordering for next year)

You might also try Shumway or Jung (both of them part of the HPS seed
company family, though I'm not sure which of them owns the others); or
maybe Park Seed, for which I don't have current info.

I'm assuming you want a fair quantity; I'm leaving off the list
companies that only carry smaller quantities.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:16:19 -0400
From: Bobbett <bobbett AT windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Surround and Naturalis
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> Also wondering what people use organically for corn borers,

A few drops of oil (I use organic olive oil) on the corn silks keeps the
worms away for me. I sometimes apply it 2x with a week or so in between.

Bobbett
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 21:23:59 -0400
From: Richard Stewart <rstewart AT zoomtown.com>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Grapes
To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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I second Double A Vineyard as a vine source.

I would also try a wine and vine specific forum where you might get a
much larger response: http://www.winepress.us/forums/

Richard Stewart
Carriage House Farm
North Bend, Ohio

An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855

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On Aug 9, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Bill Shoemaker wrote:

> Double A Vineyards in New York has a good selection of grapes. A
> relatively new variety that gets really high marks for flavor is
> Swenson Red. Its very hardy anf supposedly disease resistant too.
>
> Bill
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
>> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:44:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
>> From: "Franklin W. Davis" <knarfme AT comcast.net>
>> Subject: [Market-farming] Grapes
>> To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
>>
>> Hello Richard and Willie...sri I havn't responded
>> sooner to your info abt grapes for me...just got bk
>> from vacation.
>>
>> I meant to give my location and didn't...it's
>> southern Maine...nr the ocean....sorta between zone
>> 5 and 6...depends on the winter.
>>
>> I will ck with the county agent to see what
>> varieties do well hr...and don't need to be
>> sprayed. I would like more info on where to
>> purchase vinClick Me!es...thanks in advance.
>> Franklin
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:42:22 -0400
From: Allan Balliett <aballiett AT frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Pyganic was squash bugs and cucumber
    beetles
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>Pyganic has a terrible shelf life from my experience, even cool dark
>doesn't slow its loss of value.

I don't deny your experience, but my Pyganic, unfortunately, is often
in the sunlight, is two years old and just knocked down a whole slug
of flea beetles, better than anything I've applied earlier. -Allan in
WV


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