Market Farming

[Sabina F Swift <sabina AT hawaii.edu>]

I am Asian from the Philippines but I grew up with NO soymilk. I drank 
my first soymilk in Vietnam.  Yes, in China and Japan and Viet Nam and 
most other Asian countries, soymilk is available but not drunk like 
dairy milk in the West as part of meals/diet. Tofu on the other hand is 
eaten more with regularity as substitute for expensive meat, and a 
healthier choice. The bottom line is cost. In my old farming community, 
tofu is poor man's food, and I think this is true to some other 
communities in Asia. Here in the US, I consider it gourmet (from 
observations) especially if made from organic soybeans.

My 2-cents contribution.

Sabina
Honolulu



----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Meadows <pat AT meadows.pair.com>
Date: Friday, April 8, 2005 2:43 am
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] edamame

> On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:06:23 -0400, you wrote:
> 
> >Gosh, folks, isn't a phytate a phyto-toxin?
> >
> >Help me here, Pat: Do asians really have a history of drinking 
> soy milk?
> 
> Yes.  It's served from street carts (street vendors) in both
> China and Japan.  Tofu shops in Japan also sell soymilk.
> (Source for statement:  The Book of Tofu, Shurtleff and
> Aoyagi).  But more of their soybean consumption was/is in
> the form of tofu.
> 
> 
> >
> >Here's a little bit from the Sally Fallon folks, enough to prove 
> that 
> >your person history is simply A MIRACLE!
> >
> >>  The Chinese did not eat unfermented soybeans as they did other 
> >>legumes such as lentils because the soybean contains large 
> >>quantities of natural toxins or "antinutrients". First among 
> them 
> >>are potent enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin 
> and 
> >>other enzymes needed for protein digestion.
> 
> I'm sorry, but this is erroneous.  Tofu is NOT a fermented
> product.  I know, I make it at home.  There is no
> fermentation involved.
> 
> Tofu is made, basically, as cottage cheese is made:  no
> fermentation.  (I've made cottage cheese at home too.)
> 
> I'm sorry again, but I do not consider the Weston A. Price
> Foundation (of which Fallon is President/Treasurer) to be a
> reputable or unbiased source.  Indeed, IMHO they are very
> biased and have a definite agenda.  They're not a new
> outfit, they've been around quite a while and I've been
> familiar with them quite a while -  proclaiming the virtues
> of (specifically) *raw* milk used to be their chief claim to
> fame.
> 
> Ms. Fallon's academic qualifications are: "a Bachelor's
> Degree in English with honors from Stanford University, and
> Master's Degree in English with high honors from UCLA."
> (This is not to say that people without degrees in the field
> of nutrition cannot have expert knowledge about it, of
> course.)
> 
> If you go to their home page, you will read:
> 
> "Dr. Price's research demonstrated that humans achieve
> perfect physical form and perfect health generation after
> generation only when they consume nutrient-dense whole foods
> and the vital fat-soluble activators found exclusively in
> animal fats."  
> 
> Huh?  Show me the humans with perfect physical form and
> perfect health generation after generation.  This is
> nonsense.  Pseudo-science.  Fake science. 
> 
> Another quote:
> "The Foundation seeks to establish a laboratory to test
> nutrient content of foods, particularly butter produced
> under various conditions; to conduct research into the "X"
> Factor, discovered by Dr. Price; "
> 
> Oh?  The "X" factor discovered by Dr. Price?  Hmmm... why
> has no one else discovered the "X" factor and done tests on
> it and told the information about it to the USDA, the FDA
> and other interested parties, and published articles in
> peer-reviewed journals?  
> 
> I dislike mis/dis-information and that's what this outfit
> shovels out, IMHO.  Relying on the Weston A. Price
> Foundation for truthful information about soyfoods is like
> relying on the American Hog Raisers Association (or whatever
> their name may be) for truthful information about factory
> farming.  
> 
> Now, I've no more time for this and I never should have
> answered in the first place, just because I don't have time
> for it.  Anyone who wishes to, can have the last word.
> 
> Pat
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