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  • From: "Jackie Fisher" <splltrss AT scrtc.com>
  • To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: [Market-farming] Re: Certified Organic
  • Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:42:02 -0500

*****We were certified organic before the USDA took over. We dropped out of
the National Program because we did not agree with many of the standards.
Anyway we continue to practice according to International Organic Standards
Barb Birkinbine
Oak Camp Herb Farm,
*****
Barb, have you investigated the "Certified Naturally Grown" program? I
posted about it a few days ago. It's a great alternative to the National
Program that provides a recognizable label without unnecessary paperwork.
It's being featured in places like Mother Earth News, and we will start
seeing it written about in more places soon.

Jackie Fisher
A Different Drummer Farm
South Central Kentucky
270-432-0970

"Be good to the land and it will be good to you"
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> 1. coops (Hook Family)
> 2. Re: Re: Organic sowing medium (beverly)
> 3. Re: Aisia beetles (Mary Jo Forbord)
> 4. Re: Aisia beetles (Pat Meadows)
> 5. Re: Aisia beetles (Bill Shoemaker)
> 6. Re: Aisia beetles (Bill Shoemaker)
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> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:36:34 -0400
> From: "Hook Family" <guldann AT ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: [Market-farming] coops
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> I'd like to hear this as well. I got an email from a coop or I think
maybe
> a buying club. They were interested in buying veggies., I told them they
> could come an talk to me but they didn't :). I didn't care anyway for
this
> year had no inventory. But I was interested to hear what they had to say.
> But I then thought I wonder if it would be worth it they'd probably want
> alot of "usual" stuff and would they pay? This would be on top of our CSA
> who gets first choice anyway.
> But I wanted to keep options open :). Beth
> > Can you tell us how the coop is set up? What services it offers and how
> > they work the logistics of marketing, order taking, invoicing and
> delivery?
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:34:29 -0700
> From: "beverly" <beverly AT bidumup.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: Organic sowing medium
> To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <016e01c39108$9e1e5620$0600000a@ps>
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> Could you please explain what greensand is ?
> Thanks
> Beverly
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: OakCamp2 AT aol.com
> To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: Organic sowing medium
>
>
> We were certified organic before the USDA took over. We dropped out of
the National Program because we did not agree with many of the standards.
Anyway we continue to practice according to International Organic Standards
and we make our own potting soil using a version of Eloit Coleman's Recipe,
as follows:
>
> Oak Camp's Soil Mix
>
> 3 buckets compost
> 4 buckets peat moss (get the stuff that has not had wetting agents
added)
> 1 bucket vermiculite
> 1 bucket perlite
> 1 cup greensand
> 1 cup limestone(again, make sure it is pure)
> 1 cup blood meal
> 1 cup bone meal
> Wear a dust mask at all times while in the presence of peat moss, the
fibers can cause lung cancer similar to what asbestos fibers do. No longer a
problem once you have watered in the seedlings.
> It is best to mix the first 2 ingredients together first, then add the
perlite and vermiculite, mix thoroughly.
> Finally, add the amendments and mix thoroughly.
> Using this mix, we maybe have to fertilize one time before the crop is
ready to sell.
> HTH,
> Barb Birkinbine
> Oak Camp Herb Farm
> Lodi, WI
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> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:23:38 -0500
> From: "Mary Jo Forbord" <sustainablefarming AT hcinet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Aisia beetles
> To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I understand that these beetles have been introduced as a predator for the
soybean aphid. Does the problem start from having too many soybeans grown
as a monoculture?
> Mary Jo Forbord
> Starbuck, MN 56381
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Shoemaker
> To: Market Farming
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Aisia beetles
>
>
> The beetle being described here is NOT a beneficial, even though it's a
lady beetle, specifically the Multicolored Asian Lady Beetle. It is a pest
on soft fruit, like raspberries, peaches, plums, grapes. They can also be a
pest in apples if the apples have a crack or wound they can get into. They
feed on the high-sugar tissue prior to hibernation. They bite because we
feel like soft fruit to them and they're trying us out.
>
> Ever notice how foul they smell when you crush them? Try crushing grapes
with a few in the clusters. Wine made with the bettles in the grapes ought
to really make an impression.
>
> That's why I call them a pest, not a beneficial. To make things worse,
we've had an introduction of their favorite food into the Midwest, the
soybean aphid. The huge populations of this aphid (which are here to stay)
support the population of this lady beetle. When the soybeans mature and the
leaves begin to dry up, the aphids begin to move to their overwintering
sites. The beetles begin looking for alternative food sources, particularly
soft fruit. They also look for their own overwintering sites. Our buildings
are ideal.
>
> This should be a new era of relationship with lady beetles!
>
> Bill Shoemaker
> Sr Research Specialist, Food Crops
> Univ of Illinois - St Charles Hort Research Center
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jill Taylor Bussiere <jdt AT itol.com>
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Aisia beetles
>
>
> These Asian ladybugs taste really bad. I guess it would be worth it
if one had a really bad toothache.
>
> We too are infested with them, here in Northeastern Wisconsin.
>
> I wonder if Asian ladybugs taste worse or better than the friendly
kind?
>
> Jill
>
>
>
> If you have the measles or a toothache, you are in luck! From an
article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune on Oct. 8th:
>
> Noble history: Ladybugs are considered a symbol of good luck in many
cultures. In the 1800s, English doctors used them to treat measles. They
also believed that mashed ladybugs placed in an aching tooth cavity would
control pain.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:46:04 -0400
> From: Pat Meadows <pat AT meadows.pair.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Aisia beetles
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:23:38 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >I understand that these beetles have been introduced as a predator for
the soybean aphid. Does the problem start from having too many soybeans
grown as a monoculture?
>
> I think more likely the problem is caused by the
> introduction of a foreign species. This almost *always*
> causes problems: rabbits became terrible pests in
> Australia, for instance.
>
> Another example would be starlings in the USA (introduced
> long ago by some idiot who wished to import all the birds
> mentioned by Shakespeare).
>
> When a foreign species is introduced, their predators
> generally don't exist in the new area and things get out of
> kilter, unbalanced.
>
> Monoculture of soybeans (if it exists) probably wouldn't
> help, though.
>
> Pat
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:00:04 -0500
> From: "Bill Shoemaker" <wshoemak AT inil.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Aisia beetles
> To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> John
>
> I think your dog is a survivor! He ought to do well in the natural
selections race!]
>
> Bill Shoemaker
> Sr Research Specialist, Food Crops
> Univ of Illinois - St Charles Hort Research Center
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hendrickson <jhendric AT wisc.edu>
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Aisia beetles
>
>
> Ever notice how foul they smell when you crush them? Try crushing
grapes with a few in the clusters. Wine made with the bettles in the grapes
ought to really make an impression.
>
> My dog was eating dead ones off the living room carpet last night.
Given what a dog will venture to eat, I find it amazing that dogs have
survived the evolutionary process!
>
> John Hendrickson
> Center for Integrated Agricultural Systems
> University of Wisconsin-Madison
> mail: 1450 Linden Drive
> street: 1535 Observatory Drive
> Madison, WI 53706
> 608-265-3704
> www.wisc.edu/cias
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:15:05 -0500
> From: "Bill Shoemaker" <wshoemak AT inil.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Aisia beetles
> To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> The beetles were introduced well before the soybean aphid showed up. My
> understanding is that they were introduced in Florida by the USDA as a
> biocontrol agent for citrus pests in the late 80's. The soybean aphid
> arrived in the US by undetermined means in the late 90's.
>
> Bill Shoemaker
> Sr Research Specialist, Food Crops
> Univ of Illinois - St Charles Hort Research Center
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Meadows <pat AT meadows.pair.com>
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2003 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Aisia beetles
>
>
> >On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:23:38 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>I understand that these beetles have been introduced as a predator for
the
> soybean aphid. Does the problem start from having too many soybeans grown
> as a monoculture?
> >
> >I think more likely the problem is caused by the
> >introduction of a foreign species. This almost *always*
> >causes problems: rabbits became terrible pests in
> >Australia, for instance.
> >
> >Another example would be starlings in the USA (introduced
> >long ago by some idiot who wished to import all the birds
> >mentioned by Shakespeare).
> >
> >When a foreign species is introduced, their predators
> >generally don't exist in the new area and things get out of
> >kilter, unbalanced.
> >
> >Monoculture of soybeans (if it exists) probably wouldn't
> >help, though.
> >
> >Pat
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