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  • From: Dean Mullis <demullis AT InfoAve.Net>
  • To: market farming <market-farming AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
  • Subject: wow
  • Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:57:31 -0500




market farming digest wrote:

> market farming Digest for Monday, March 06, 2000.
>
> 1. cultivator
> 2. H2O2 info, was Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> 3. Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> 4. Re: CSA-L prairienet owner?
> 5. Re: H2O2 info, was Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> 6. RE: fw-tomato growers
> 7. Re: H2O2 info, was Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> 8. Workshops
> 9. Re: Workshops
> 10. Re: H2O2 info, was Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> 11. Re: Workshops
> 12. Re: Workshops
> 13. Workshops addendum
> 14. Workshops addendum
> 15. workshops
> 16. Re: Workshops
> 17. How to get on dairycreamery
> 18. Re: Market Farming mailing list usage information
> 19. I'M LOOSE----
> 20. Re: I'M LOOSE----
> 21. Re: Another cure, perhaps...mycostop
> 22. Stop bitching
> 23. Re: stop bitching
> 24. Re: I'M LOOSE----
> 25. personal apology
> 26. pictures
> 27. briefly from sanet
> 28. mushroom cultivation & marketing
> 29. Re: pictures
> 30. fence suppliers
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: cultivator
> From: "Kent A. Priestley" <baldina AT juno.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:43:28 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 1
>
> Has anyone used the Williams Tool System cultivator? I've talked to a
> few farmers who had used it and were dismissive. The folks
> (understandably) at Market Farm Implement at PA think it's the greatest
> thing since Wonder Bread. Any opinions, for or agin?
> Kent Priestley
> Weeping Radish Eco-Farm
> Grandy, NC
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: H2O2 info, was Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> From: S & S Aqua Farm <snsaquasys AT townsqr.com>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:44:09 -0600
> X-Message-Number: 2
>
> At 07:56 PM 03/05/2000 -0500, Alex wrote:
> >Jim & Jo,
> >
> >I want to try H2O2 this year on my tomatoes for early blight. Did you start
> spraying
> >before symptoms od after? What time of day did you spray (sun or shade)?
> Top and bottom
> >of leaves or just one or the other? Thanks for this info. I'm encouraged to
> hear H2O2
> >slowed blight down. My tomatoes don't succumb immediately, but it cuts down
> on fall
> >harvest.
>
> >five springs farm wrote:
> >
> >> We have not tried this on Zinnias, but another possible cure for fungal
> >> problems is Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), the stuff you buy at the drugstore
> >> or
> >> supermarket. Mixed 3TBS per gallon we have used it on Peach trees for
> >> peach
> >> leaf curl (very successful) and tomatoes (from about 8" high till late
> >> summer once a week) for blight. Not a cure but slows disease down, it
> >> would
> >> seem. Will experiment further this summer, eg powdery mildew on summer
> >> squash.
> >
>
> I have the following information on Hydrogen Peroxide from ACRES that I
> thought would be appropriate here -- for those of you interested in pursuing
> it as a treatment for any/various problems. Paula
> -------------------------------------
>
> This is from a Consumer Reports article,
> >March 1985, published as ECHO Newsletter 1984-1992 Highlights, which I only
> >have a portion of):
> >
> >Grades of Hydrogen Peroxide by Rodney E. Alsop, D.Ph.M., Ph.D.
> >
> >3% Hydrogen peroxide (drug/grocery store variety)
> > Made from 50% Super D Peroxide, Diluted, Contains stabilizers
> >-phenol, acetanilide, acetanlid, sodium stanate, tetrasodium phosphate
> >among
> >them.
> >
> >6% Hydrogen peroxide (Used by beauticians for coloring hair)
> > Comes in strengths labeled 10, 20, 40 volume. Must have activator
> >added to be used as a bleach. Stabilizers used unknown at this point.
> >
> >30% Re-Agent Hydrogen Peroxide
> > Used in medical research. Also contains stabilizers
> >
> >30-32% Electronic Grade Hydrogen Peroxide
> > Contains a small amount of phosphorus to neutralize any chlorine in
> >the water it is combined with.
> >
> >35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide
> > (Also 50% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide)
> > Used in food products like cheese, eggs, whey products. Also used
> >to spray inside of foil lined containers for food storage - known as the
> >asceptic packaging system.
> >
> >90% Hydrogen Peroxide
> Used by the military as a source of Oxygen at Cape Canaveral. Used as a
> propulsion source in rock fuel.
> >
> >99.6% Hydrogen Peroxide
> This was first made in 1954 as an experiment to see how pure hydrogen
> peroxide could be.
> >
> >I agree that this source may not be the ultimate. However, we've used this
> >(and others) as our basis for using 35% food grade H2O2 in aquaponics. We
> >also have a healthy appreciation for it's potential dangers if used (or
> >handled) unwisely. Please keep in mind that this (35%) rate is a caustic
> >solution that can do harm to unprotected human skin, eyes, etc.
>
> >Paula Speraneo
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
> Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> From: "five springs farm" <fsfarm AT mufn.org>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:43:18 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 3
>
> > I want to try H2O2 this year on my tomatoes for early blight. Did you
> start spraying
> > before symptoms od after? What time of day did you spray (sun or shade)?
> Top and bottom
> > of leaves or just one or the other? Thanks for this info. I'm encouraged
> to hear H2O2
> > slowed blight down. My tomatoes don't succumb immediately, but it cuts
> down on fall
> > harvest.
>
> We are new to the use of H2O2 (as of last season) but this will be our
> approach again this year: Start spraying WAY before symptoms, say at 6-8"
> seedlings. I like to spray anything in cooler times of the day, and
> generally choose morning so that there is no residual moisture on leaves as
> night falls. Once a week until the plants are too big to make spraying
> practical and not TOO time consuming, which for us in our small operation,
> was perhaps 8-10 weeks. I think full coverage, or at least as full as
> practical, is best. And remember, it is not a cure but a slow-down. BTW, we
> use the 3% drug/grocery store variety, not the higher strength formulations
> @ 3TBS per gallon.
>
> Jim and Jo
> The Community Farm Newsletter
> http://www.mufn.org/public/tcf
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex McGregor <waldenfarm AT sprintmail.com>
> To: market farming <market-farming AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
>
> > Jim & Jo,
> >
>
> >
> > Alex McGregor
> > Walden Farm
> > Walden Ridge, TN
> >
> > five springs farm wrote:
> >
> > > We have not tried this on Zinnias, but another possible cure for fungal
> > > problems is Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), the stuff you buy at the drugstore
> or
> > > supermarket. Mixed 3TBS per gallon we have used it on Peach trees for
> peach
> > > leaf curl (very successful) and tomatoes (from about 8" high till late
> > > summer once a week) for blight. Not a cure but slows disease down, it
> would
> > > seem. Will experiment further this summer, eg powdery mildew on summer
> > > squash.
> >
> >
> > ---
> > You are currently subscribed to market-farming as: fsfarm AT mufn.org
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> $subst('Email.Unsub')
> > To subscribe send email to lyris AT franklin.oit.unc.edu
> > with message text containing: subscribe market-farming
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: CSA-L prairienet owner?
> From: "five springs farm" <fsfarm AT mufn.org>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:48:53 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 4
>
> The CSA list can be accessed at
> http://franklin.oit.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=csa
> or go to our website (below) and click on CSA email list at the bottom of
> the page. It is not very active now, I think most are on the market farming
> list. But I for one would like to see the specifics of CSA and subscription
> farming discussed on a specific list...
>
> Jim and Jo
> The Community Farm Newsletter
> http://www.mufn.org/public/tcf
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ericka & Rich Dana <doodles AT netins.net>
> To: market farming <market-farming AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 8:08 AM
> Subject: CSA-L prairienet owner?
>
> > I went to the old CSA-L prairienet website and wrote a note to the "send
> > e-mail" click address - and I got this back. Does anybody know who owns
> this
> > list now?
> > Ericka
> >
> > --The Mighty Oak was once a little nut that held its ground.
> > ----------
> > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON AT prairienet.org>
> > To: <doodles AT netins.net>
> > Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
> > Date: Sat, Mar 4, 2000, 6:32 PM
> >
> >
> > The original message was received at Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:32:31 -0600 (CST)
> > from ins22.netins.net [167.142.225.22]
> >
> > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > tladamso AT mail.soltec.net
> > (expanded from: <tladamso AT prairienet.org>)
> >
> > ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > ... while talking to mail.soltec.net.:
> > >>> RCPT To:<tladamso AT mail.soltec.net>
> > <<< 550 <tladamso AT mail.soltec.net>... User unknown
> > 550 tladamso AT mail.soltec.net... User unknown
> >
> > ----- Original message follows -----
> >
> > Return-Path: <doodles AT netins.net>
> > Received: from smtp-out.netins.net (ins22.netins.net [167.142.225.22])
> > by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05753
> > for <tladamso AT prairienet.org>; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:32:31 -0600 (CST)
> > Received: from [167.142.19.75] (desm-18-075.dialup.netins.net
> > [167.142.19.75])
> > by smtp-out.netins.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14641
> > for <tladamso AT prairienet.org>; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:32:30 -0600 (CST)
> > Message-Id: <200003041832.MAA14641 AT smtp-out.netins.net>
> > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410)
> > Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 12:32:13 +0000
> > Subject: Hello - archive question
> > From: "Ericka & Rich Dana" <doodles AT netins.net>
> > To: tladamso AT prairienet.org
> > Mime-version: 1.0
> > X-Priority: 3
> > Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
> >
> > Hay -
> > Just curious about the CSA-prairienet website. It might be me, but I can't
> > get to anything new in the archives since Jan. 26th. Has it been updated?
> > Are you the new owner?
> >
> > Many Thanks,
> > Ericka Dana, Catnip Farm
> > --The Mighty Oak was once a little nut that held its ground.
> >
> > ---
> > You are currently subscribed to market-farming as: fsfarm AT mufn.org
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> $subst('Email.Unsub')
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: H2O2 info, was Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> From: wytze <geno AT zap.a2000.nl>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:33:27 +0100
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> Is H2O2 allowed in organic farming?
> wytze
>
> S & S Aqua Farm wrote:
>
> > At 07:56 PM 03/05/2000 -0500, Alex wrote:
> > >Jim & Jo,
> > >
> > >I want to try H2O2 this year on my tomatoes for early blight. Did you
> > >start
> > spraying
> > >before symptoms od after? What time of day did you spray (sun or shade)?
> > Top and bottom
> > >of leaves or just one or the other? Thanks for this info. I'm encouraged
> > >to
> > hear H2O2
> > >slowed blight down. My tomatoes don't succumb immediately, but it cuts
> > >down
> > on fall
> > >harvest.
> >
> > >five springs farm wrote:
> > >
> > >> We have not tried this on Zinnias, but another possible cure for fungal
> > >> problems is Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), the stuff you buy at the
> > >> drugstore or
> > >> supermarket. Mixed 3TBS per gallon we have used it on Peach trees for
> > >> peach
> > >> leaf curl (very successful) and tomatoes (from about 8" high till late
> > >> summer once a week) for blight. Not a cure but slows disease down, it
> > >> would
> > >> seem. Will experiment further this summer, eg powdery mildew on summer
> > >> squash.
> > >
> >
> > I have the following information on Hydrogen Peroxide from ACRES that I
> > thought would be appropriate here -- for those of you interested in
> > pursuing
> > it as a treatment for any/various problems. Paula
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> > This is from a Consumer Reports article,
> > >March 1985, published as ECHO Newsletter 1984-1992 Highlights, which I
> > >only
> > >have a portion of):
> > >
> > >Grades of Hydrogen Peroxide by Rodney E. Alsop, D.Ph.M., Ph.D.
> > >
> > >3% Hydrogen peroxide (drug/grocery store variety)
> > > Made from 50% Super D Peroxide, Diluted, Contains stabilizers
> > >-phenol, acetanilide, acetanlid, sodium stanate, tetrasodium phosphate
> > >among
> > >them.
> > >
> > >6% Hydrogen peroxide (Used by beauticians for coloring hair)
> > > Comes in strengths labeled 10, 20, 40 volume. Must have
> > > activator
> > >added to be used as a bleach. Stabilizers used unknown at this point.
> > >
> > >30% Re-Agent Hydrogen Peroxide
> > > Used in medical research. Also contains stabilizers
> > >
> > >30-32% Electronic Grade Hydrogen Peroxide
> > > Contains a small amount of phosphorus to neutralize any chlorine
> > > in
> > >the water it is combined with.
> > >
> > >35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide
> > > (Also 50% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide)
> > > Used in food products like cheese, eggs, whey products. Also
> > > used
> > >to spray inside of foil lined containers for food storage - known as the
> > >asceptic packaging system.
> > >
> > >90% Hydrogen Peroxide
> > Used by the military as a source of Oxygen at Cape Canaveral. Used as a
> > propulsion source in rock fuel.
> > >
> > >99.6% Hydrogen Peroxide
> > This was first made in 1954 as an experiment to see how pure hydrogen
> > peroxide could be.
> > >
> > >I agree that this source may not be the ultimate. However, we've used
> > >this
> > >(and others) as our basis for using 35% food grade H2O2 in aquaponics.
> > >We
> > >also have a healthy appreciation for it's potential dangers if used (or
> > >handled) unwisely. Please keep in mind that this (35%) rate is a caustic
> > >solution that can do harm to unprotected human skin, eyes, etc.
> >
> > >Paula Speraneo
> > S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
> > Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
> >
> > ---
> > You are currently subscribed to market-farming as: geno AT zap.a2000.nl
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub')
> > To subscribe send email to lyris AT franklin.oit.unc.edu
> > with message text containing: subscribe market-farming
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: fw-tomato growers
> From: "Wiediger, Alison" <awiediger AT Hart.k12.ky.us>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:09:34 -0600
> X-Message-Number: 6
>
> > ----------
> > From: Elizabeth Pike[SMTP:pike AT always-online.com]
> >
> > Question from non-wired market gardener:
> >
> > What percentage of your crops are heirloom/open pollinated tomatoes?
> >
> > Do you conduct taste testings (aka Shep Ogden)?
> >
> > Do you successive plant for fall harvest, one of the short season/cold
> > storage varieties?
> >
> > Liz Pike
> >
> From Alison, Au Naturel Farm
>
> About 50% of our full season tomatoes are a OP variety named Tropic.
> Most of the rest of our "market" tomatoes are hybrids, although we do grow
> some heirlooms for ourselves. Most are too fragile to carry to Farmers'
> Market and disease resistance on many is too low for us. We transplant
> tomatoes 4 times. March 15th in coldframes for earliest, April 20th for our
> first field, July 1st for our fall tomatoes (usually first frost about Oct
> 20th) and Sept 1st on coldframes for late fall, early winter. We picked our
> last tomatoes on December 21st in '99 - out of the unheated coldframes. We
> did plant long-keeper, but the regular tomatoes seemed to ripen in the
> basement just as well, and tasted better - we had those way into January.
>
> > ---
> > You are currently subscribed to market-farming as:
> > awiediger AT hart.k12.ky.us
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> > $subst('Email.Unsub')
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: H2O2 info, was Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike AT always-online.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:29:59 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 7
>
> yes, it is safe to use and allowed by my certification agency.
>
> Liz Pike
> Morningstar Gardens
> Pollocksville NC
> ICQ 46954468
>
> Nothing happens in living nature that is not in relation to the whole.
> ---Goethe
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Workshops
> From: Alex McGregor <waldenfarm AT sprintmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:40:50 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 8
>
> I was asked to post some information on our workshops. I have hesitated
> because I was wondering whether it was kosher to do so (to promote my
> workshops on a discussion list). Then the uproar over list owners...
> They say timing is everything... I was encouraged to do so by a list
> co-owner and a former list co-owner.
>
> Anyway, here's some info I've copied and pasted from the flyer we mail
> out. If you are interested in more info or have questions, contact me
> off-list.
>
> WORKSHOP DESCRIPTIONS
>
> BIOINTENSIVE GARDENING Friday evening, June 4, all day Saturday and
> Sunday, June 2 and 4, 2000 (24 person limit)
> This workshop is aimed at those who wish to grow their own food in a
> garden setting through integrated organic methods, and for those
> considering a small scale market garden. It is designed to give
> gardeners a basic knowledge of biointensive methods.
> In this workshop, you will learn how to get huge harvests from small
> spaces by gaining techniques for soil fertility building; development of
> raised, double-dug beds; smart succession plantings, propagation,
> spacing and management of plants; composting and using compost. The
> workshop will be evenly divided between class time and hands-on
> applications.
>
> =93The course surpassed my expectations as other courses fell far short o=
> f
> their glossy brochures.=94
> =97Lynn Mycroft, Florida Gardener
>
> BIOINTENSIVE FARMING Friday evening, June 16th, all day sessions,
> Saturday June 17th through Tuesday June 20, 2000 (24 person limit)
> This workshop provides the basic course, plus more in-depth and
> scientific knowledge of the soil and plants for those interested in
> commercial and educational applications.
> The emphasis will be on tillage and soil fertility, composting, plant
> propagation, crop planning and marketing and season extension. All
> sessions will be held on the farm and will be divided between lecture
> and practical application of biointensive methods.
>
> =93...incredible amount of information given on a total farm operation.=94
> =97Phil Forbes, Iowa Farm Manager
>
> (Biointensive refers to an integrated system of organic food production
> that grows the largest amount of food in the smallest space.)
>
> ABOUT THE INSTRUCTORS
>
> Alex McGregor will be the lead instructor for the workshop. He
> completed the credit course in Biointensive Mini-Farming at Ohio
> University in 1991 and the Soil Testing and Recommendations Course in
> 1992. Alex then worked as a Teaching Assistant, Lab Instructor and
> Lecturer in the credit course at Ohio University in 1993, 1994 and
> 1995. In the words of Steve Rioch, Program Director:
> =93Student evaluations of Mr. McGregor have been outstanding. The course=
> s
> he participated in received the highest standing of any course in the
> University's summer program.=94
> Tracy Daugherty will teach the sessions on plant physiology. He has a
> degree in Plant Development Biology and taught Biology and Plant
> Physiology at Tennessee Technical University and Chattanooga State for
> seven years. Tracy is currently employed with the Tennessee Department
> of Agriculture.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Workshops
> From: Cheri Shelnutt <cshel AT usit.net>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:48:38 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 9
>
> Hi Alex,
> Where might these be held? Costs, etc......
> Cheri Shelnutt
> Sweet Hollow Farm
> NE Tennessee
>
> Alex McGregor wrote:
>
> > I was asked to post some information on our workshops. I have hesitated
> > because I was wondering whether it was kosher to do so (to promote my
> > workshops on a discussion list). Then the uproar over list owners...
> > They say timing is everything... I was encouraged to do so by a list
> > co-owner and a former list co-owner.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: H2O2 info, was Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> From: Alex McGregor <waldenfarm AT sprintmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:51:53 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 10
>
> I would contact the certifying agency for an answer to any questions on
> what is allowed
> under their guidelines. Standards vary slightly from agency to agency. If
> you are
> certified or are contemplating certification, it's not worth setting
> yourself back 3
> years on a guess or someone else's idea about acceptable practices.
>
> Alex McGregor
> Walden Farm
> Walden Ridge, TN
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Workshops
> From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike AT always-online.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:52:49 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 11
>
> Alex--locations please, and contact info!!! This is great and very
> appropriate as I told you privately. Networking.....
>
> Liz
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Workshops
> From: Alex McGregor <waldenfarm AT sprintmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:56:24 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 12
>
> Cheri,
>
> They're held on our farm in the Chattanooga area. Cost this year will be
> around $150 for
> the gardening and $300 for the farming.
>
> I can put you on our mailing list to receive a flyer with complete info
> when they're
> printed. Just send your mailing address and/or any questions. Thanks for
> the interest.
> Have a great season!
>
> Alex
>
> Cheri Shelnutt wrote:
>
> > Hi Alex,
> > Where might these be held? Costs, etc......
> > Cheri Shelnutt
> > Sweet Hollow Farm
> > NE Tennessee
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Workshops addendum
> From: Alex McGregor <waldenfarm AT sprintmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:03:36 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 13
>
> Something I left off the previous post, and the fist question I got:
>
> WORKSHOP LOCATION
>
> Hands-on sessions will be held at Walden Farm, a suburban mini-farm
> 15 minutes from downtown Chattanooga, Tennessee. Walden Farm,
> home of Alex McGregor and his family, produces vegetables and
> fruit for a 30 family Community Supported Agriculture Group on
> approximately 1/4 acre, using the techniques which will be taught in the
>
> workshops. Lectures will be held in an indoor facility.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Workshops addendum
> From: Alex McGregor <waldenfarm AT sprintmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:03:54 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 14
>
> Something I left off the previous post, and the first question I got:
>
> WORKSHOP LOCATION
>
> Hands-on sessions will be held at Walden Farm, a suburban mini-farm
> 15 minutes from downtown Chattanooga, Tennessee. Walden Farm,
> home of Alex McGregor and his family, produces vegetables and
> fruit for a 30 family Community Supported Agriculture Group on
> approximately 1/4 acre, using the techniques which will be taught in the
>
> workshops. Lectures will be held in an indoor facility.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: workshops
> From: "Wiediger, Alison" <awiediger AT Hart.k12.ky.us>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:02:39 -0600
> X-Message-Number: 15
>
> We will be holding a one-day workshop on coldframe winter growing on
> September 16, 1999 at our farm. For more information as to format and cost,
> please see our website:
>
> http://www.aunaturelfarm.homestead.com
>
> Hope to see some of you there!
>
> Paul and Alison Wiediger
> Au Naturel Farm
> Smiths Grove, KY
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Workshops
> From: Alex McGregor <waldenfarm AT sprintmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:09:28 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 16
>
> Farmers:
>
> See "Workshop addendum for location and email requests for more info to me
> (off-list) or
> email me your mailing address for a brochure.
>
> Alex
>
> Elizabeth Pike wrote:
>
> > Alex--locations please, and contact info!!! This is great and very
> > appropriate as I told you privately. Networking.....
> >
> > Liz
> >
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> Subject: How to get on dairycreamery
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> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:56:29 -0500
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> Subject: Re: Market Farming mailing list usage information
> From: Michael Creech <creech5 AT mail.tds.net>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:02:58 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 18
>
> WEll, I guess 3 makes a caravan-I'm off to the new barn as well.
> Lawrence can't make a good explanation or won't even attempt the
> courtesy of one to us for why he booted Marcie, so I'm off to the new
> barn as well. And Lawrence, as for your mandelas, fractals and endless
> postings...they are a bunch of bull poopie. :)
>
> Penny
>
> Sojourner wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > And not a single thing about why Marcie was precipitously removed as
> > list co-owner without even the courtesy of notifying her, let alone us.
> >
> > That's not the sum total of anything, Lawrence. Your math skills are
> > sadly lacking if you think it is.
> >
> > But then what can you expect from someone who thinks garden bed shapes
> > are an appropriate application for fractals. <VBG>
> >
> > Lee Lawton wrote:
> > >
> > > That's all folks, I'm off to the new barn.
> >
> > I'm right behind you, Lee.
> >
> > http://www.onelist.com/group/Market-Farmers
> >
> > Here's hoping Marcie joins us there. She was a very, very, good
> > listmom.
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: I'M LOOSE----
> From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike AT always-online.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:04:46 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 19
>
> Okay--that's it. Someone left my cage door open and I'm exhausted
> from biting my tongue---ever notice the sweetness of blood, that slow
> flow of your life mixed with the saltiness of wickedness & all the
> imaginings one can sink into when forced into a dark lonely corner??
>
> When I fire an employee--or a store manager--I do not consult with the
> customers, or the employees, or the corporation. A decision is made,
> swiftly executed--with diplomacy, tact, and a reference letter for a
> new job expounding any positive traits of said person--without delving
> into why I terminated them. It's not pleasant, but I make it as
> gentle as possible. Some people just aren't cut out for the job. Why
> do y'all deserve explanations for administrative decisions?? And you
> didn't even give the list a chance to see what would happen. Your
> loss. Enjoy your new barn--I will miss you, and will welcome you
> back--anytime.
>
> But I won't stoop that far down---
> From: Sojourner <sojournr AT missouri.org>
> To: market farming <market-farming AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Market Farming mailing list usage information
>
> > Lawrence London wrote:
> > >
> > > That's the sum total of it.
> >
> > And not a single thing about why Marcie was precipitously removed as
> > list co-owner without even the courtesy of notifying her, let alone
> us.
> >
> > That's not the sum total of anything, Lawrence. Your math skills
> are
> > sadly lacking if you think it is.
> >
> > But then what can you expect from someone who thinks garden bed
> shapes
> > are an appropriate application for fractals. <VBG>
> >
> > Lee Lawton wrote:
> > >
> > > That's all folks, I'm off to the new barn.
> >
> > I'm right behind you, Lee.
> >
> > http://www.onelist.com/group/Market-Farmers
> >
> > Here's hoping Marcie joins us there. She was a very, very, good
> > listmom.
> >
> > --
> > Holly ;-D
> > Contrary Peasant
> > sojournr AT missouri.org
> >
> > ---
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> >
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: I'M LOOSE----
> From: Michael Creech <creech5 AT mail.tds.net>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:18:25 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 20
>
> Elizabeth Pike wrote:
> >
> > Why
> > do y'all deserve explanations for administrative decisions??
>
> There is a difference here. You are firing an employee. You aren't
> coming to work one day to find your new assistant manager has changed
> the locks on you. This was Marcie's list---co-owned with Lawrence. Then
> Lawrence decides he likes you better, sets you up to take Marcie's job
> and boots her out. THat's hard ball and we don't like it. If there was a
> good reason for Lawrence to do it he would have shared it by now. He
> obviously hasn't one so that makes him an untrustworthy person. And yes
> we deserve an explanation. We aren't payed employees and you aren't our
> boss.
>
> Penny
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Another cure, perhaps...mycostop
> From: flowers AT rt66.com (Wilderness Flowers)
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:35:33 -0700 (MST)
> X-Message-Number: 21
>
> if what you are experiencing is either a fusarium or botrytis you might want
> to consider mycostop ;a stretomycetes beneficial fungi labled for both field
> and greenhouse application
>
> it is a fungus that eliminates other fungi , we have 8 years experience with
> it and have never lost a seedling after using it we have used it as a foliar
> in greenhouse withs ame results no botrytis
>
> we are using it on tomatoes and peppers to be transplanted into a field
> where we have lost plants to verticilium a few yrears ago and expect no
> losses , it also increses yields on healthy plants
>
> it would also likely be a good innoculum into a compost to enhance the
> benificial fungal population martin
>
> >> I want to try H2O2 this year on my tomatoes for early blight. Did you
> >start spraying
> >> before symptoms od after? What time of day did you spray (sun or shade)?
> >Top and bottom
> >> of leaves or just one or the other? Thanks for this info. I'm encouraged
> >to hear H2O2
> >> slowed blight down. My tomatoes don't succumb immediately, but it cuts
> >down on fall
> >> harvest.
> >
> >We are new to the use of H2O2 (as of last season) but this will be our
> >approach again this year: Start spraying WAY before symptoms, say at 6-8"
> >seedlings. I like to spray anything in cooler times of the day, and
> >generally choose morning so that there is no residual moisture on leaves as
> >night falls. Once a week until the plants are too big to make spraying
> >practical and not TOO time consuming, which for us in our small operation,
> >was perhaps 8-10 weeks. I think full coverage, or at least as full as
> >practical, is best. And remember, it is not a cure but a slow-down. BTW, we
> >use the 3% drug/grocery store variety, not the higher strength formulations
> >@ 3TBS per gallon.
> >
> >Jim and Jo
> >The Community Farm Newsletter
> >http://www.mufn.org/public/tcf
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Alex McGregor <waldenfarm AT sprintmail.com>
> >To: market farming <market-farming AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> >Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 7:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: Another cure, perhaps...(Re: Zinnias)
> >
> >
> >> Jim & Jo,
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> Alex McGregor
> >> Walden Farm
> >> Walden Ridge, TN
> >>
> >> five springs farm wrote:
> >>
> >> > We have not tried this on Zinnias, but another possible cure for fungal
> >> > problems is Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), the stuff you buy at the
> >> > drugstore
> >or
> >> > supermarket. Mixed 3TBS per gallon we have used it on Peach trees for
> >peach
> >> > leaf curl (very successful) and tomatoes (from about 8" high till late
> >> > summer once a week) for blight. Not a cure but slows disease down, it
> >would
> >> > seem. Will experiment further this summer, eg powdery mildew on summer
> >> > squash.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> Martin Connaughton
> Wilderness Flowers
> 223 North Guadalupe St. pmb # 159
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> zone 3-4-5 depending on mother nature .. zone 5 this year and no snow
>
> 5059898337 office/home
> 5057578337 farm april/november
> 5059203421 cell
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Stop bitching
> From: Patrick Mulkey <Mulkey AT TUNL.TUNL.DUKE.EDU>
> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:48:17 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 22
>
> I am tired of all the bitching about who did what to who. If you don't like
> what happen take it up privately off the list. This is just like the
> postings that occurred about the T.V. show 20/20 a few weeks ago. A lot of
> finger pointing and opinions and very little if any about MARKET GARDENING.
> Lets move on people.
>
> Patrick Mulkey
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: stop bitching
> From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike AT always-online.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:53:26 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 23
>
> My apologies everyone.
> Liz
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: I'M LOOSE----
> From: cappy AT harborside.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:08:38 -0800
> X-Message-Number: 24
>
> Quoting Michael Creech <creech5 AT mail.tds.net>:
>
> >
> >
> > Elizabeth Pike wrote:
> > >
> > > Why
> > > do y'all deserve explanations for administrative
> decisions??
> >
> > There is a difference here. You are firing an
> employee. You aren't
> > coming to work one day to find your new assistant
> manager has changed
> > the locks on you. This was Marcie's list---co-owned
> with Lawrence. Then
> > Lawrence decides he likes you better, sets you up to
> take Marcie's job
> > and boots her out. THat's hard ball and we don't like
> it. If there was a
> > good reason for Lawrence to do it he would have
> shared it by now. He
> > obviously hasn't one so that makes him an
> untrustworthy person. And yes
> > we deserve an explanation. We aren't payed employees
> and you aren't our
> > boss.
> >
> > Penny
> >
> > ---
> > You are currently subscribed to market-farming as:
> cappy AT harborside.com
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to
> > $subst('Email.Unsub')
> > To subscribe send email to lyris AT franklin.oit.unc.edu
> > with message text containing: subscribe market-farming
> >
> >
> A thought from sidelines....
>
> What in the world is going on? I feel as if I'm
> reading notes passed back and forth in a high school or
> junior high school class room.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, isn't everyone an adult?
>
> I've been out of town, and part of the time I wasn't
> near a computer. When time allowed and the opportunity
> came up to sit down and check my messages, I was
> shocked at the e-mails passing before me.
>
> I thought the objective of this discussion group was to
> share ideas, network, give encouragment and learn how
> to thrive in business.
>
> Not this week, according to what's going on.
>
> How sad and disappointing. What a waste of energy.
> What a waste of time.
>
> Is this really worth it?
>
> Cappy Tosetti
> on the Oregon coast
>
> Kindness is more important than wisdom, and the
> recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: personal apology
> From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike AT always-online.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:04:39 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 25
>
> Please accept my deepest, sincerest apologies for getting drawn into
> this mess
> when I worked so hard to stay out of it, yet handle my job. I never
> know when I should remain aloof or defend myself. I'm very sorry for
> my behavior.
>
> Liz Pike
> Morningstar Gardens
> Pollocksville NC
> ICQ 46954468
>
> Nothing happens in living nature that is not in relation to the whole.
> ---Goethe
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: pictures
> From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike AT always-online.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:40:20 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 26
>
> We have access to webspace for uploading pictures of techniques,
> methods, farms, people, etc if anyone would like to contribute. This
> is easily done from your own computer whenever you have something to
> share. The link can be posted to the list.
>
> I'd especially like to see pictures of market farm or roadside
> displays at this time of year, along with production
> techniques--trellising, transplanting,etc. If you have any questions
> or need any help, please email me.
>
> Liz Pike
> Morningstar Gardens
> Pollocksville NC
> ICQ 46954468
>
> Nothing happens in living nature that is not in relation to the whole.
> ---Goethe
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: briefly from sanet
> From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike AT always-online.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:53:45 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 27
>
> > A Guide to USDA and Other Federal Resources for
> > Sustainable Agriculture and Forestry Enterprises
> > http://www.attra.org/guide/
> >
> > The Year 2000 update has been revised and added to the
> > ATTRA web page. When farmers, entrepreneurs, and others in
> agriculture ask for
> > sources of funds, grants, money, resources, assistance, etc, this is
> > a great place to send them. It is an on-line directory available in
> > both html and pdf formats.
>
> Liz
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: mushroom cultivation & marketing
> From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike AT always-online.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:10:23 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 28
>
> Briefly from Sanet:
>
> Announcing this new web item from ATTRA.
>
> Mushroom Cultivation and Marketing
> http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/mushroom.html
>
> Liz Pike
> Morningstar Gardens
> Pollocksville NC
> ICQ 46954468
>
> Nothing happens in living nature that is not in relation to the whole.
> ---Goethe
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: pictures
> From: "Elizabeth Pike" <pike AT always-online.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:07:51 -0500
> X-Message-Number: 29
>
> Beth, this is a new location.
>
> The link to upload pics--hasn't been used much--just waiting for our
> input:
>
> http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/upload-pics.html
>
> here's the link to view uploaded pics
>
> http://metalab.unc.edu/intergarden/uploads/pics/
>
> Give everyone a chance to upload and bookmark to check back
> frequently. We can even include pics of ourselves!!
>
> Liz Pike
> Morningstar Gardens
> Pollocksville NC
> ICQ 46954468
>
> Nothing happens in living nature that is not in relation to the whole.
> ---Goethe
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: fence suppliers
> From: HMSTDFRMS AT aol.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:27:50 EST
> X-Message-Number: 30
>
> Hi all!
> I'm looking for the names of suppliers of movable electrified poly poultry
> netting fence. I'm doing a workshop on Sat. and would like to offer folks as
> many options as possible. Thanks for any suggestions.
> Linda
> Homestead Farms
>
> ---
>
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This sounded like a great list when I subscribed, but yall seem to enjoy
sniping and
abusing one another and worshipping at the altar of the almighty deity of
organic
certification. I have been that route and have forked over hard earned
dollars for some
fascist moron to come and critique my farm because I do not use chemicals but
their
assumption is that I do.
I have been that fascist moron as a certification "agent" for CFSA, the NC
version of
organic certification.
One of my main goals in 1989 was to be certified organic. And we were, but
the background
checks, the holier than thou attitude, the $185 fee to be certified and we
received a cheap
printed certificate and a roll of stickers that did not stick, Screw it!
I still fall under the strict guidelines of what organic produce is, mainly
because we can
and eat it also, but we do not promote it like we used too. Our stuff is
fresh and clean,
our customers know that.
That suits us. I don't support CFSA anymore.




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