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Re: [Livingontheland] Two-degree target may still cause catastrophic sea level rise

From: herb farmer <tradingpost@lobo.net>
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Two-degree target may still cause catastrophic sea level rise
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:40:06 -0600

Not to dwell on this aspect too long, but for those who can envision the scenario there are resources to deal with it.

"What Guy and Carolyn make clear, however, is that this facing of the Unimaginable and Unspeakable need not, and must not, result in despair, helplessness and destructive passivity" --
http://www.carolynbaker.net/2014/10/21/foreword-to-extinction-dialogues-by-andrew-harvey/

"The fourth theme that dances like a golden thread throughout this amazing book is that when we do accept our potentially terminal fate, an extreme love for life on its own terms and just as it is, can be exploded within us, along with a radiant gratitude for the simplest things we have taken for granted and a rapture at the beauty of the world we are losing. " --
http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/2014/10/foreword-to-extinction-dialogues-by-andrew-harvey-2669788.html

"Extinction Dialogs is a candid conversation between Guy McPherson and Carolyn Baker. The text addresses the scientific research regarding abrupt climate change as well as how humans who grasp the likelihood of near-term human extinction can prepare emotionally and spiritually for the demise of many species on Earth, including ours."
Carolyn Baker, Ph.D. is a former psychotherapist and professor of psychology and history. She is the author of Collapsing Consciously: Transformative Truths For Turbulent Times, Navigating The Coming Chaos: A Handbook For Inner Transition (2011) and Sacred Demise: Walking The Spiritual Path Of Industrial Civilization’s Collapse (2009).
http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/2014/06/extinction-dialogs-how-to-live-with-death-in-mind-by-carolyn-baker-and-guy-mcpherson-pre-order-now-2633554.html

paul
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On 7/21/2015 5:52 PM, dhondt wrote:

55AEDB56.5060609@eircom.net" type="cite"> One of the problems with these long range predictions is that they don't take enough account of positive feed back loops Paul. When sea ice melts the exposed water takes up a lot more heath than the ice ever did. And in many permafrost places methane is belching up in enormous quantities.

There was an article in Arctic News a good year ago with good scientific math explaining that the Northern hemisphere could have an extermination event in 15 years time. The Southern hemisphere would have the same 20 years later. I have seen nothing yet that might have me think this to be untrue.
I'm sure we will find out what the truth is in time.
John

On 21/07/15 22:37, herb farmer wrote:
55AEBBA3.3050201@lobo.net" type="cite">
Hansen et al actually did make it far more urgent:

Earth’s Most Famous Climate Scientist Issues Bombshell Sea Level Warning - 10 feet+ in as little as 50 years
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/07/20/sea_level_study_james_hansen_issues_dire_climate_warning.html?wpsrc=fol_tw

The point I'm stressing is the new role of "Regenerative Agriculture". Heavily documented.
https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/regenerative-agriculture-annotated-bibliography

It's not just about food security in a warming world; it's also about the only feasible way for for stopping or reversing rise of CO2 & global warming disaster. OR it COULD have been.

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On 7/21/2015 1:04 PM, dhondt wrote:
55AE97BD.90900@eircom.net" type="cite"> Unfortunately by 2100 means not in our life time or even that of our children meaning no rush for almost all people. I think there is a fair chance we and not just the polar bears will all be extinct long before then. Imo the situation is past critical and the vultures are going to drill the Arctic with a better than 80 % chance of a major oil spill in the next two years.
Of course we personally must do what we can.
John

On 21/07/15 06:44, herb farmer wrote:
55ADDC42.1070207@lobo.net" type="cite">

Two-degree target may still cause catastrophic sea level rise, James Hansen warns
Hansen is longtime NASA scientist

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/07/20/news/two-degree-target-may-still-cause-catastrophic-sea-level-rise-james-hansen-warns

But this one paragraph caught my eye:

This, combined with a rapid transition to renewable energy and more efficient forestry and agriculture practices to sequester carbon, would reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide levels down to a safer level 350 parts per million by 2100, helping to restore the Earth’s energy balance

That can only refer to the Rodale-MIT trials on Regenerative Agriculture. Which we work with in some form.

paul
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[Livingontheland] Two-degree target may still cause catastrophic sea level rise, herb farmer, 07/21/2015
- Re: [Livingontheland] Two-degree target may still cause catastrophic sea level rise, dhondt, 07/21/2015
  - Re: [Livingontheland] Two-degree target may still cause catastrophic sea level rise, herb farmer, 07/21/2015
    - Re: [Livingontheland] Two-degree target may still cause catastrophic sea level rise, dhondt, 07/21/2015
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