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  • From: tanyagarden@gmail.com
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  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Year Round Vegetable Production with Eliot Coleman - DVD Trailer
  • Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:25:03 -0700

I have Black Satin thornless blackberry. Flavor is ok but quite tart unless
the berry gets so soft it falls apart when picked, at which point the
fruit-fly maggots are evident. Calif. & Fla. have the spotted wing
drosophila, which lays eggs in intact fruit.

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On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:08 AM, "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net> wrote:

>
> Fascinating, we don't get this on Discovery channel ... have you looked
> into thornless blackberries? We don't have room or ideal soil for
> blackberries but I'd love to have the right conditions. I have to look into
> the multiplier leeks.
>
> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>
> Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes.
> --Henry David Thoreau
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
> On 7/20/2011 at 9:47 PM John D'hondt wrote:
>
>> Mainly the East coast is taken to be sunnier and warmer. But The coast in
>> the SW used to boast palm trees and warm loving exotics because of the
>> Gulf
>> stream. These got a severe hammering last year. I am 6 miles inland and
>> 600-800 feet above sealevel and that makes a huge difference. Just 300
>> feet
>> lower down there are people who can grow and ripen tomatoes outside. That
>> has never even once worked for me.
>> Before we got trees and hedges growing, 25 years ago, there were plenty
>> occasions every year that a strong adult had problems standing upright on
>> an
>> open field in a gale.
>> Northern Ireland is still under English dominion and there they have kept
>> walled gardens and orchards and beautiful old trees while further South
>> they
>> have done their best to destroy everything "English" such as trees and
>> gardens.
>>
>> Russion onions are very cold tolerant. These don't make a bulb much but
>> plentiful and strong onion tasting greens to about 45 cm high. Babbington
>> leeks are perennial leeks, multiplier leeks really that do form bulbs that
>> split up in 5-6 parts every year.They go dormant in summer and I now have
>> their bed full with self seeded Turnip rooted chervil, man high plants now
>> from which I want to take seed. After that the Babbingtons get weeded and
>> they will then reappear from themselves ready for winter harvesting.
>>
>> We don't use bed covers anywhere. Our regulars don't need it and plants
>> like
>> cape gooseberry or passion fruit are too big to be easily wrapped up. We
>> lost those last year but the brown figs are remarkably hardy and are just
>> starting to deliver ripe fruit now. Gooseberries, red and black currants
>> and
>> apricots are almost finished. Summer raspberries too. Blueberries coming
>> up
>> and the blackberries (very thorny) are flowering everywhere but may be
>> short
>> of pollinators.
>> John
>>
>>> Isn't climate different north/south Ireland? I don't recall your
>> location.
>>> Do you use any row or bed cover inside your tunnel? We do the red Russian
>>> kale and other kales but Russian onions &amp; Babington leeks are
>>> unfamiliar.
>>> Of course some things just go by different names, certainly around this
>>> country. I'm partial (understatement) to beet greens sauteed in little
>>> olive oil but we don't do salads at home. On the weather front we finally
>>> got the ground wet once last week but nothing since, and we're supposed
>> to
>>> be
>>> in our rainy season. They call it monsoon here in New Mexico but it's
>>> hardly. Talked to a lady at a new country market here, said she
>>> put in rain catchment this year but nothing to catch. ..
>>>
>>> We need to know more about conditions &amp; coping in other countries.
>> The
>>> more
>>> we learn, the more we find we don't know.
>>>
>>> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>>>
>>>
>>> "If your experience is that your water comes from the tap and that
>> your
>>> food comes from the grocery store then you are going to defend to the
>>> death the system that brings those to you because your life depends on
>>> that; if your experience is that your water comes from a river and that
>>> your food comes from a land base then you will defend those to the death
>>> because your life depends on them. So part of the problem is that we have
>>> become so dependent upon this system that is killing and exploiting us,
>> it
>>> has become almost impossible for us to imagine living outside of it and
>>> it's very difficult physically for us to live outside of it."
>>> -- Derrick Jensen
>>>
>>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>>
>>> On 7/19/2011 at 8:53 PM John D'hondt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Climate in Ireland is a main problem in that the only thing that is
>>>> certain
>>>> is uncertainty. So far this year we have not gone beyond 20C. Not that
>>>> unusual but it slows down cucumbers and tomatoes a lot to name but two.
>>>> Last winter we scored as low as -18C which was most unusual. Some winter
>>>> crops took this in their stride outside especially Russian red kale and
>>>> Russian onions, Babington leeks, turnips and black radish. In the poly
>>>> tunnel were the more sensitive salad greens, misuna, mibuna, green in
>>>> snow,
>>>> February orchid, malva's and cresses. It got to -14 in there as well.
>>>> We expect more or less the same sort of cold winter this year but then
>>>> maybe
>>>> not. We had years that I could potter away in the garden in T-shirt and
>>>> short pants in January but we then got a killing frost in April.
>>>> Something always grows.
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ear round for 25 years Paul. Of course
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> of these vegetables are seasonal but we have a fresh green salad every
>>>> day
>>>>>> of the year.
>>>>>> john
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Year Round Vegetable Production with Eliot Coleman - DVD Trailer
>>>>>>> http://www.chelseagreen.com/tv/episode/3975139/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This filmed workshop on year-round vegetable production offers
>> farmers
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> gardeners the rare chance to sit in with Eliot Coleman, one of the
>>>>>>> pioneers of the organic farming movement and author of The New
>> Organic
>>>>>>> Grower, Four-Season Harvest, and The Winter Harvest Handbook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes.
>>>>>>> --Henry David Thoreau
>>>>>>>
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