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Re: [Livingontheland] The Truth About Vegetarianism
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- Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] The Truth About Vegetarianism
- Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:36:27 -0600
There's a lot of good in that article but it does suffer from vague cliches
like "living in tune with nature". What is that exactly? And statements like
"eating plants wont solve the planets problems" - if it doesn't solve all
problems at once then it's useless? Don't most realize that just cutting back
on meat would help for several reasons? And I see a problem with this: he's
confusing agriculture in general with political/hierarchy that controls it.
YMMV
paul tradingpost@lobo.net
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On 6/3/2010 at 7:16 AM Doug Willhite wrote:
>Seed, garden, animal husbandry e-groups:
>
>(Mother Earth News)
>
>"The only way out of the vegetarian myth is through the pursuit of...
>adult knowledge... The knowledge that every animal, plant, person,
>wind and season is indebted to the fruit of everything else is an
>adult knowledge... If we choose to live in tune with nature, we
>wont be exploiting each other by eating. Instead, we will only be
>taking turns."
>
>*The Truth About Vegetarianism
>The vegetarian myth tells us that not eating meat leads to a
>sustainable diet. But eating plants wont solve the planets problems.
>
>June/July 2010
>By Lierre Keith
>
>I was a vegan for almost 20 years.
>
>I know the reasons that compelled me to embrace an extreme diet, and
>they are honorable even noble. Reasons such as justice, compassion
>and a desperate, all-encompassing longing to set the world right. To
>save the planet the last trees bearing witness to ages and the
>scraps of wilderness still nurturing fading species, silent in their
>fur and feathers. To protect the vulnerable, the voiceless. To feed
>the hungry. At the very least, to refrain from participating in the
>horror of factory farming.
>
>These political passions are born of a hunger so deep it touches on
>the spiritual. They were for me, and they still are. I want my life
>my body to be a place where the Earth is cherished, not devoured;
>where the sadist is granted no quarter; where the violence stops. And
>I want eating the first nurturance to be an act that sustains
>rather than kills. This is an effort to honor our deepest longings
>for a just world. And I now believe those longings for compassion,
>for sustainability, for an equitable distribution of resources are
>not served by the philosophy or practice of vegetarianism. Believing
>in this vegetarian myth has led us astray.
>
>Factory Farming is Not the Only Way
>The vegetarian Pied Pipers have the best of intentions. Ill state
>right now that everything they say about factory farming is true: It
>is cruel, wasteful and destructive. But their first mistake is in
>assuming factory farming a practice that is barely 50 years old
>is the only way to raise animals. In my experience, their
>calculations on energy used, calories consumed and humans unfed are
>all based on the notion that animals eat grain. You can feed grain to
>animals, but it is not the diet for which they were designed. For
>most of human history, browsers and grazers havent been in
>competition with humans. They ate what we couldnt eat (cellulose)
>and turned it into what we could (protein and fat). But our
>industrial culture stuffs grain into as many animals as it can. Grain
>will dramatically increase the growth rate of beef cattle and the
>milk production of dairy cows. It will also kill them. The delicate
>bacterial balance of a cows rumen may become acidic and turn septic.
>Chickens get fatty liver disease if fed corn exclusively. Sheep and
>goats, which are also ruminants like cattle, shouldnt touch the
>stuff either.
>
>Not only that, but large portions of the world are utterly unsuited
>for growing large grain crops. And not just mountaintops in far
>distant Nepal, but close by in, say, New England. Cows are what grow
>here. So are deer, in their forest-destroying abundance. The logic of
>the land tells us to eat the animals that can eat the tough cellulose
>that survives here.
>
>I think that this misunderstanding about animals and grain is born of
>an ignorance that runs the length and breadth of the vegetarian myth,
>through the nature of agriculture and ending in the nature of life.
>Most of us are now urban industrialists, and many of us dont know
>the origins of our food. This includes many vegetarians, despite
>their claims to the truth. It included me, too, for 20 years. Anyone
>who ate meat was in denial; only I had faced the facts. Most people
>who consume factory-farmed meat have never asked what died and how.
>But frankly, neither have most vegetarians.
>
>Life isnt possible without death, and no matter what you eat,
>something has to die to feed you. The truth is that agriculture is
>the most destructive thing humans have done to the planet, and more
>of the same wont save us. Todays industrial agriculture requires
>the wholesale destruction of entire ecosystems.
>
>I want a full accounting, an accounting that goes way beyond whats
>dead on your plate. Im asking about everything that died in the
>process, everything that was killed to get that food onto your plate.
>Thats the more radical question, and its the only question that
>will produce the truth. How many rivers were dammed and drained? How
>many prairies plowed and forests pulled down? How much topsoil turned
>to dust? I want to know about all the species. Not just the
>individuals, but the entire species the chinook, the bison, the
>grasshopper sparrows and the gray wolves. And I want more than just
>the number of dead and gone. I want them back.
>
>Despite what weve been told, and despite the earnestness of the
>tellers, eating soybeans isnt going to bring these plants and
>animals back. Ninety-eight percent of the American prairie is gone,
>turned into a monocrop of annual grains. Plow cropping in Canada has
>destroyed 99 percent of the lands original humus. When the rain
>forest falls to beef, progressives are outraged and ready to boycott.
>But our attachment to the vegetarian myth leaves us uneasy, silent
>and ultimately immobilized when the culprit is wheat and the victim
>is the prairie.
>
>The vast majority of people in the United States dont grow food, let
>alone hunt and gather it. We have no way to judge how much death is
>embodied in a serving of salad, a bowl of fruit or a plate of beef.
>We live in urban environments in the last whisper of forests
>thousands of miles removed from the devastated rivers, prairies,
>wetlands and the millions of creatures who died for our dinners. Many
>inhabitants of urban industrial cultures have no point of contact
>with grain, chickens, cows, or for that matter with topsoil. We
>have no idea what nourishes plants, animals or soil, which means we
>have no idea what we ourselves are eating.
>
>Hard Questions About Agriculture
>Whats looming in the shadows of our ignorance and denial is a
>critique of civilization itself. The starting point may be what we
>eat, but the end is an entire way of life, a global arrangement of
>power, and with no small measure of personal attachment to it. I
>remember the day in fourth grade when Miss Fox wrote two words on the
>blackboard: civilization and agriculture. I remember because of the
>hush in her voice, the gravitas of her words, the explanation that
>was almost oratory. And I understood. Everything that was good in
>human culture flowed from this point all ease, grace and justice.
>Religion, science, medicine and art were born, and the endless
>struggle against starvation, disease and violence could be won, all
>because humans had figured out how to grow their own food.
>
>I believe that agriculture has created a net loss for human rights
>and culture: slavery, imperialism, militarism, class divisions,
>chronic hunger and disease. The real problem, then, is not to
>explain why some people were slow to adopt agriculture, but why
>anybody took it up at all, when it is so obviously beastly, writes
>biologist and author Colin Tudge. Agriculture has also been
>devastating to the other creatures with whom we share the Earth, and,
>ultimately, to the life support systems of the planet itself. What is
>at stake is everything. If we want a sustainable world, we have to be
>willing to examine the power relations behind the foundational myth
>of our culture. Anything less and we will fail.
>
>Questioning at that level is difficult for most people. In this case,
>the emotional struggle inherent in resisting any hegemony is
>compounded by our dependence on civilization, and by our individual
>helplessness to stop it. Most of us would have no chance of survival
>if the industrial infrastructure collapsed tomorrow. And our
>consciousness is equally impeded by our powerlessness.
>
>I dont have a 10 Simple Things list for you because, frankly,
>there arent 10 simple things that will save the Earth. There is no
>personal solution. There is an interlocking web of hierarchical
>arrangements vast systems of power that have to be confronted and
>dismantled. We can disagree about how best to do that, but do it we
>must if life on Earth is to have any chance of surviving.
>
>Mutual Indebtedness
>I have stopped fighting the basic algebra of embodiment: For
>something to live, something else has to die. In that acceptance,
>with all its suffering and sorrow, is the ability to choose a
>different way a better way.
>
>The Truth About Vegetarianism
>Consider the cow, a prey animal that has evolved to do one thing
>exquisitely: take cellulose ubiquitous grass and turn it into
>mass and motion. Like all members of a healthy biotic community, the
>cow produces food for someone else. Her manure feeds soil, plants and
>insects. The mechanical action of her hooves and her teeth helps the
>grasslands stay diverse. Her digestive processes free up nutrients
>and not just for her, but for the whole community. Her body will
>become a meal for predators, scavengers and degraders of all sizes.
>Life is ultimately a cooperative process, unitary in its goal: more
>life.
>
>The grazers need their grass, but the grass also needs the animals.
>It needs the manure, with its nitrogen, minerals and bacteria. It
>needs the mechanical check of grazing activity, and it needs the
>resources stored in animal bodies and freed up by degraders after
>animals die. The grass and the grazers need each other as much as
>predators need prey. These are not one-way relationships. They are
>not arrangements of dominance and subordination.
>
>In his book Long Life, Honey in the Heart, Martin Prechtel writes of
>the Mayan people and their concept of kas-limaal, which translates
>roughly as mutual indebtedness, mutual insparkedness. Pretchel
>writes that the knowledge that every animal, plant, person, wind and
>season is indebted to the fruit of everything else is an adult
>knowledge.
>
>This is a concept we need, especially those of us who are impassioned
>by injustice. The only way out of the vegetarian myth is through the
>pursuit of kas-limaal, of adult knowledge. If we choose to live in
>tune with nature, we wont be exploiting each other by eating.
>Instead, we will only be taking turns.
>
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>community/the-truth-about-vegetarianism.aspx
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