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  • From: "D'Coda" <dcoda@volcommunity.org>
  • To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing" <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Joel Salatin - 'Sound Science' Is Killing Us
  • Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:07:16 -0600

Gloria, I'd like to respond to your March 17 "rant"...first of all, I suspect you and I are standing together on the "wrong side" of many issues...but that's just a hunch. As for which scientists to believe, there's a remarkable scientist whose work isn't showing up anywhere -- what he has to say must be considered alongside all of the global warming theorists. His name is Paul LaViolette, he wrote a book in the 90's called "Earth Under Fire"...its a very impressive compilation of evidence showing that our sun goes through a periodic alteration in which it turns (temporarily) into what's called a T-Tauri star. And it certainly does heat things up in the solar system when that happens. Its a must read for everyone in my opinion.
 
Another body of scientists to take a look at can be found at www.thehorizonproject.org ...this is a  group of over 200 international scientists who are finding similar effects that LaViolette sites but they explain it a little differently stating that our solar system periodically moves through a gravity belt emanating from the black hole at the center of our galaxy, which perturbs the sun and heats things up. And guess what, we are entering its field now, we'll be smack dab in its effects somewhere around 2012. What a coincidence. You may need to play around with that web site address because I don't have internet and this is from memory. You may have to leave off the "the"...or change the end to .com or .net.  All of the world's governments have undertaken massive projects to build underground cities...for the "stakeholders".
 
I think that what man is doing IS a problem as well. Who can argue with the fact that pollution and pouring particulate matter and chemtrails and such is GOOD for the ecosystems. And it may heat things up as well. Its probably a combo package. I'm all for reducing pollution in all its forms....but this other thing....what's going on in the solar system....that isn't being shared with us. No money in it. Time to build some really stout root cellars in my opinion.
There is a problem in distinguishing which scientist, or scientists, are the ones to listen to, though.  For instance, now that everyone is supposedly convinced that global warming is leading to the end of our planet every scientist who steps to the microphone and says nay to that idea is supposedly in the pocket of Monsanto, Cargill, Exxon/Mobil, etc., or the government who is saying no to the idea.  Small things get lost in the translation that might lead us to a better conclusion.  I am not trying to get into an argument here on global warming.  I am using this as an example. 
 
You take someone folks will listen to....put supposedly good science at his arm...let him make a movie, or go on a lecture tour....and the deed is done.  Nearly everyone believes it....whether it is true or not.  So....when anyone steps up and says it ain't so.....who is going to believe them after the spin job done on it?  Even very educated people will stand for the idea because this is "the" man to show us the way to our salvation....if there is one. 
 
It is just like the actuality that scientists can recreate seawater....but if they put a fish into it, it will die. 
 
We know we largely cannot trust governments to lead us on the right path.  They only go the way that their pockets are lined.....normally.  So....Mitch.....how do we tell the difference? 
 
The kicker to the above is that most of the planets in our solar system, and their moons, are undergoing global warming....and they have no people  on them.  We get all excited when the ice on them is melting because it might sustain life now.  No one seems to be putting it together with the whole picture. 
 
So....who is right? 
 
The only way to know is to do the experiments yourself when you can.  Then you have a better idea who is right.  Problem is that in so many of these we cannot do them ourselves. 
 
My neighbor tells me that when I mention all this on Cargill, Monsanto, GMO food being bad for us, chemically grown stuff having no nutrition I put people off because they don't care.  They see themselves getting fatter.....and ill more often.....but they don't care she says.  I tell her food will continue getting scarcer.....that we are already a food import nation again like in the 1950s....but she says so what?  We import most things nowadays. 
 
How do you stand up to that, Mitch?  I would imagine one day with a gun and some fierce dogs when folks try to come and steal what is growing on my property when they have nothing....even when they try to grow it themselves because they don't care that soil with more organic plant matter holds water longer even in the face of drought. 
 
I am very frustrated with many things right now.  The one thing I do know is that when governments try to focus our attention on something it is to make us not notice something more important they don't want us to interfere in....protest against.  It worries me greatly. 
 
Tell me how to figure it out, Mitch.  I already stand on the wrong side of many issues....even ones many here believe quite strongly in. 
 
"They" will tell us they did not hide it at all.....whatever it is.  They don't usually.  They will make sure the story is buried in a newspaper, or a magazine so few folks notice it figuring most of the ones that do won't see any value in the information. 
 
Sorry for the rant.  You touched a nerve. 
 
Gloria, Texas




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