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  • From: Ian Meyer <ianmeyer AT gmail.com>
  • To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/" <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Digest comments
  • Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:47:04 -0500

ow.

that made my head hurt.

i think i'll re-read it in the AM when I can comprehend it fully.

but it seems interesting from this limited perspective so far...

~ian


On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:27:18 -0500, James Dasher <jdasher AT ibiblio.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2004, at 12:13 AM, Ian Meyer wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:10:12 -0500 (EST), rua AT mindspring.com
> > <rua AT mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> "I don't know about anyone else, but to me, someone who puts blind
> >> faith in a canidate for no reason other than its who their pastor,
> >> family, whatever told them to vote for, is ignorant and backwards."
> >> --The way I grew up, I would have knee-jerked agreed, but then I
> >> thought about all those kids who the left was hoping to vote because
> >> Eminem said so, or The Boss, or Madonna. And then I think of a
> >> life-long member of a church, that has been given good guidance and
> >> assistance over the years by their pastor, and I wonder who is being
> >> the most ignorant.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > following *anyone's* lead in voting, because thats how they told you
> > to vote is wrong.
> >
> > yes, i have as little regard for people who voted for kerry because
> > Eminem told them to as for the religious who voted as their Pastor
> > told them to. The "guidance and assistance" as you put it, however
> > valid a point, is moot. I can help you out all I want, but I still
> > expect you to, in the words of the Oracle, "make up your own damn
> > mind" who to vote for.
>
> Good point - and extra points for the Matrix reference. But, just as
> the Oracle provided guidance, and then left our heroes to choose, so do
> experts and other trusted authorities provide context, even though they
> don't pull the voting lever.
>
> Following the lead of others is how the world works. For example, I'm
> a Mac user, and a fan of the fink project. When I have a problem, I
> ask other fink users for help on the email list. Many people can and
> do help, but I tend to trust advice from the developers and package
> maintainers. I don't necessarily do exactly what they suggest, and I
> may sometimes have to pick-and-choose when they offer contradictory
> advice or alternative hypotheses. But I certainly trust them more, in
> that context, than I trust other people.
>
> (Okay, that may have seemed a little heavy-handed. But you know why I
> picked that example. =)
>
> That's not to say that voting is the same as application
> troubleshooting. But the issue is one of trust, not the applicability
> of metaphors - yours with The Matrix, or mine with fink. And free
> societies work better in high-trust environments than they do in
> low-trust environments. Even subsets of societies - for example, some
> people have learned to trust people like Ana Marie Cox or Markos
> Moulitsas or Glenn Reynolds or Dan Rather or whomever. (For further
> reading, I suggest _Trust_ by Francis Fukayama. It's a seriously good
> book.)
>
> So voting for a candidate because people you trust have laid out good
> arguments in favor of or against one candidate or another is actually a
> very *good* reason to vote for one of them. Because, as you said, you
> still have to "make up your own damn mind" - about whom to trust, and
> why.
>
> --
> James Dasher
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> IM misterdasher
>
>
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