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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

When you tag it on a comment about a specific incident it does LOOK and 
SOUND as though you are referring back to what you tag it to.  Apologies all 
around.

Like I said, I've worked in the medical field.  It is nice *now* to blame 
everything on the sue happy people and over use of the ER.  HOWEVER, the 
very reason there are lots of lawsuits is that a LARGE % of the medical 
folks out there are dolts, boobs and graduated in the bottom of their 
classes.  As long as you can scrape by with Ds you can manage to get a 
license.

the whole indigient thing is recent.  I shared the employee lounge with 
doctors back in the 70s and 80s.  The ERs weren't the medical care of choice 
for everybody and his uncle back then.  The stories I heard would make you 
run screaming in the opposite direction of anything Western medicine!  Plus, 
one of my jobs was QA (Quality Assurance) and as part of that job I got 
almost daily mail from the Feds about QA issues.  Believe me, bad medical 
care was been the norm in the U.S. for a LONG time.

Doctors on drugs (VERY common), doctors too tired (WAY TOO common), 
incompetant doctors (VERY common) are the norm, not the exception.

And now we have a whole influx of PAs, NPs and FNPs and most of them are 
worse than the doctors!

If you find a good one, hope they are younger than you so you have then to 
consult with as long as you need medical care!

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Padruig" <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> Hmmm. Boy, you do take things personally, don't you, Lynda. I was simply 
> dis-agreeing with you. I have not had the bad experiences you have, and 
> have not, yet, at least, encountered the tin gods and boobs that you 
> apparantly have. And no, you can't offend me, unless I let you, so no 
> worries there.
>
>
> My comment regarding unhealthy lifestyles, sueing, and instant fixes had 
> nothing to do with your son at all. I was simply stating my opinion 
> regarding where most of our problems with the medical INDUSTRY in our 
> country stem from. It was my opinion, nothing more.
>
> I am not too proud to apologize however, if you were offended by my 
> opinion, even if there was no offense intended. Consider it offered, 
> though from the tenor of your response, I am assuming it won't matter one 
> whit.
>
> Ray, who apparantly is not surrounded by medical incompetents and boobs... 
> and considers himself blessed.
>
>
> Dr. Raymond Zentz
>
> It is better to die a free man, than to live, a slave.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Thunder God Vine and RA
>
>
> I would say "no offense" but I don't really care if I offend since 
> obviously
> you don't either. WTF do you get off with the "people who have lived
> unhealthily, want an instant fix when the s**t hits the fan." WTH does 
> that
> have to do with MY e-mail?
>
> How does someone running up a hill, breaking a flip flop and cutting their
> foot equate into your rant about "people who have lived unhealthily, want 
> an
> instant fix when the s**t hits the fan"? Please enlighten us as to how 
> your
> brain works.
>
> Now, I said I'd make the story short, so now I'll make the short story 
> long
> and y'all will have all the details, so no one will think I wanted a 
> instant
> fix. And, we didn't get "a" boob, we got more than one!
>
> 1st -- I was Nursing Service Coordinator for a large rehab facility with 3
> wings -- Acute Rehab, Acute SNF and Acute Psych. I coordinated staffing,
> all modality care meetings, discharge planning and continuing care 
> meetings,
> and insurance pre-authorization and continuing stay authorization. I 
> worked
> with docs, nurses, private insurance, VA, Medicaid, MediCal, Medicare and
> private pay.
>
> 2nd -- I worked the telemetry unit (stepdown unit from ICU) of an acute 
> care
> hospital, one of the Sister of Orange facilities.
>
> 3rd -- I worked in radiology at a county/community hospital.
>
> So, I'm pretty familiar with how the medical field works, from the inside
> out and ALL its dirty little secrets.
>
> Now, on to Son #3. He was referred to the big hospital in the big city by
> the local clinic. The hospital asst. CEO himself called me back later to
> say "well, you know that an x-ray won't show glass." O.K., so then WHY was
> an x-ray ordered to locate glass? Or do you consider that to be "highly
> skilled and competent"?
>
> After two weeks with the foot getting worse and worse and the shooting 
> pains
> becoming more intense, he went to the little local ER. *That* doctor, who
> did meet the definition of "highly skilled and competent," ordered a CAT
> scan, the appropriate test to look for glass. Sure enough, pieces of glass
> embedded in the muscle and around the nerves and tendons.
>
> Local clinic referred him to an orth surg. That numb nuts told him to live
> with it. I suppose he also meets your definition of "highly skilled and
> competent"??
>
> In the mean time, the CRPS rears its ugly head -- swellling, purple color,
> shooting pains, ankle begins to twist to the inside, foot begins to curl 
> up,
> calf muscle begins to cramp into lumpy knots.
>
> *I* called a couple of docs I personally knew and got him into a vascular
> surgeon's office. THAT doctor, who I define as "highly skilled and
> competent," came unhinged over the two people telling Son #3 to "live with
> it." He immediately scheduled surgery but told us in advance that because
> so much time had elapsed that he couldn't give any guarantees. That the
> surgery should have been done AT THE ER IMMEDIATELY! Which, BTW, was why 
> we
> were referred to the ER in the big city to begin with. *Supposedly* they
> had an on-call surgeon who should have been able to take care of this 
> right
> there and then!
>
> Son was in surgery for 3 hours and the prognosis is that he MIGHT be able 
> to
> walk with a limp but that there was damage to nerves and cuts and a 
> scratch
> on the tendon that runs to his big toe. That would be PRECISESLY where the
> pain occured when the ER boob hit him with the lidocaine. Hmmm, wouldn't 
> be
> that the "highly skilled and competent" idiot had hit the tendon with the
> needle.
>
> So, the problem wasn't freeloading on the system, or unhealthy people or a
> sue happy society. IF you have had the great fortune to only meet good
> medical people, I'm happy for you. HOWEVER, I happen to know for a fact
> that a VERY LARGE % of the medical folks out there shouldn't even be
> treating downers at the local slaughter yard!
>
> The number of doctors that get away with maiming, crippling and killing
> people is astronomical. Most folks don't sue. In fact, less than 5% of the
> folks with cause ever file a lawsuit or a claim with the doctor's
> malpractice insurance, if he even has any!
>
> And, as an aside, Son #3 works with paraplegics and developmentally 
> disabled
> children at the local school district. Unless a miracle happens, he won't
> be able to work with those children anymore due to district policy. Is he
> whining about it? No, he's been working with head traumas and the
> developmentally disabled since he was 18 and he plans to continue. He
> simply won't be able to work with folks who have certain physical
> disabilities.
>
> AND, search as I might, I can't find breaking a flip flop and getting
> "boobs" as medical staff as fitting the definition of "living an unhealthy
> lifestyle." I'm sure you'll enlighten me as to how that all fits together.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Padruig" <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> > Oh, trust me, I was not making any remark about "the right way". I was
> > merely commenting on how people who have lived unhealthily, want an
> > instant fix when the s**t hits the fan... or, as the good reverend put 
> > it,
> > when the "chickens come home to roost"
> >
> > I don't claim to have lived a healthy lifestyle. I just don't whine about
> > it now that consequences are occurring.
> >
> > But yes, it's good to be back... ;-)
> >
> > Incidentally, we have moved to northern Utah (better paying teaching job,
> > if you can believe it), and are living in a yurt we finished last week..
> > We plan to do so for a year, as a historical re-creation project, and to
> > save for a HEALTHY down payment on some land next year.
> >
> > Ray
>
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