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[Padruig <rayzentz AT aim.com>]

don't know why I sent a partial response. Very odd.  Sorry about that...

Ray



Dr. Raymond Zentz
 
It is better to die a free man, than to live, a slave.



-----Original Message-----
From: Padruig <rayzentz AT aim.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 11:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Thunder God Vine and RA


Hmmm. Boy, you do take things personally, don

r. Raymond Zentz

t is better to die a free man, than to live, a slave.

-----Original Message-----
rom: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
o: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
ent: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 10:19 pm
ubject: Re: [Homestead] Thunder God Vine and RA

 would say "no offense" but I don't really care if I offend since obviously 
ou don't either. WTF do you get off with the "people who have lived 
nhealthily, want an instant fix when the s**t hits the fan." WTH does that 
ave to do with MY e-mail? 

ow does someone running up a hill, breaking a flip flop and cutting their 
oot equate into your rant about "people who have lived unhealthily, want an 
nstant fix when the s**t hits the fan"? Please enlighten us as to how your 
rain works. 

ow, I said I'd make the story short, so now I'll make the short story long 
nd y'all will have all the details, so no one will think I wanted a instant 
ix. And, we didn't get "a" boob, we got more than one! 

st -- I was Nursing Service Coordinator for a large rehab facility with 3 
ings -- Acute Rehab, Acute SNF and Acute Psych. I coordinated staffing, 
ll modality care meetings, discharge planning and continuing care meetings, 
nd insurance pre-authorization and continuing stay authorization. I worked 
ith docs, nurses, private insurance, VA, Medicaid, MediCal, Medicare and 
rivate pay. 

nd -- I worked the telemetry unit (stepdown unit from ICU) of an acute care 
ospital, one of the Sister of Orange facilities. 

rd -- I worked in radiology at a county/community hospital. 

o, I'm pretty familiar with how the medical field works, from the inside 
ut and ALL its dirty little secrets. 

ow, on to Son #3. He was referred to the big hospital in the big city by 
he local clinic. The hospital asst. CEO himself called me back later to 
ay "well, you know that an x-ray won't show glass." O.K., so then WHY was 
n x-ray ordered to locate glass? Or do you consider that to be "highly 
killed and competent"? 

fter two weeks with the foot getting worse and worse and the shooting pains 
ecoming more intense, he went to the little local ER. *That* doctor, who 
id meet the definition of "highly skilled and competent," ordered a CAT 
can, the appropriate test to look for glass. Sure enough, pieces of glass 
mbedded in the muscle and around the nerves and tendons. 

ocal clinic referred him to an orth surg. That numb nuts told him to live 
ith it. I suppose he also meets your definition of "highly skilled and 
ompetent"?? 

n the mean time, the CRPS rears its ugly head -- swellling, purple color, 
hooting pains, ankle begins to twist to the inside, foot begins to curl up, 
alf muscle begins to cramp into lumpy knots. 

I* called a couple of docs I personally knew and got him into a vascular 
urgeon's office. THAT doctor, who I define as "highly skilled and 
ompetent," came unhinged over the two people telling Son #3 to "live with 
t." He immediately scheduled surgery but told us in advance that because 
o much time had elapsed that he couldn't give any guarantees. That the 
urgery should have been done AT THE ER IMMEDIATELY! Which, BTW, was why we 
ere referred to the ER in the big city to begin with. *Supposedly* they 
ad an on-call surgeon who should have been able to take care of this right 
here and then! 

on was in surgery for 3 hours and the prognosis is that he MIGHT be able to 
alk with a limp but that there was damage to nerves and cuts and a scratch 
n the tendon that runs to his big toe. That would be PRECISESLY where the 
ain occured when the ER boob hit him with the lidocaine. Hmmm, wouldn't be 
hat the "highly skilled and competent" idiot had hit the tendon with the 
eedle. 

o, the problem wasn't freeloading on the system, or unhealthy people or a 
ue happy society. IF you have had the great fortune to only meet good 
edical people, I'm happy for you. HOWEVER, I happen to know for a fact 
hat a VERY LARGE % of the medical folks out there shouldn't even be 
reating downers at the local slaughter yard! 

he number of doctors that get away with maiming, crippling and killing 
eople is astronomical. Most folks don't sue. In fact, less than 5% of the 
olks with cause ever file a lawsuit or a claim with the doctor's 
alpractice insurance, if he even has any! 

nd, as an aside, Son #3 works with paraplegics and developmentally disabled 
hildren at the local school district. Unless a miracle happens, he won't 
e able to work with those children anymore due to district policy. Is he 
hining about it? No, he's been working with head traumas and the 
evelopmentally disabled since he was 18 and he plans to continue. He 
imply won't be able to work with folks who have certain physical 
isabilities. 

ND, search as I might, I can't find breaking a flip flop and getting 
boobs" as medical staff as fitting the definition of "living an unhealthy 
ifestyle." I'm sure you'll enlighten me as to how that all fits together. 

ynda 
---- Original Message ----- From: "Padruig" <rayzentz AT aim.com> 
 
 Oh, trust me, I was not making any remark about "the right way". I was 
 merely commenting on how people who have lived unhealthily, want an 
 instant fix when the s**t hits the fan... or, as the good reverend put it, 
 when the "chickens come home to roost" 
 
 I don't claim to have lived a healthy lifestyle. I just don't whine about 
 it now that consequences are occurring. 
 
 But yes, it's good to be back... ;-) 
 
 Incidentally, we have moved to northern Utah (better paying teaching job, 
 if you can believe it), and are living in a yurt we finished last week.. 
 We plan to do so for a year, as a historical re-creation project, and to 
 save for a HEALTHY down payment on some land next year. 
 
 Ray 

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