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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Woops big type,,,, ,correc t UNDER reporting oil reserves.  Thanks.




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Chris, I followed it all but this:

> >1)  "IEA-gate".  IMO what is really important in the "IEA-gate" is that 
> they have been significantly under-reporting oil reserves for a very long 
> time.... 


The sources in which I place some confidence (because of their good track 
record) say th at IEA has been significantly OVER-reporting oil reserves ... 
that is, claiming there is a lot more extant and extractable oil than there 
really is.


James



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
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> In your another post, you indicated that the research was destroyed a
> couple of decades ago and if I understand you >correctly, maybe we
> shouldn't put so much weight on the fact the source material for
> conclusions was destroyed, just because >it was before the global warming
> issue wasn't as much of a hot topic a couple decades ago as it is today.
>
> I can not help but think that there are some people who plan things out
> decades in advance. Certainly at a minimum, there are >CEOs who have a
> certain vision for a new technology, technologies that take decades to
> solve the science behind the new >technology. There are others who plan
> things in terms of decades also.

I do not think that this is the case here.   I do not have details, but
having worked in academia, floor space is hard to come by, and storage is
expensive.   Sometimes, just throwing out the paper is the easiest thing to
do.    I doubt if it was anything more nefarious.   Could have been a fire
hazard... seriously...

Atmospheric Science get VERY little money compared to biotech, or
materials....   I doubt there was any grand scheme.

> I question - if this is such a threat to humanity, why hasn't the
> government completely outlawed emmssions?

The tragedy of the Commons:  Everyone recognizes the problem, but no one
feels they can be the guy left out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

> As to polar caps..... On land we can see evidence of retreating glaciers.
> What about in the oceans? Is there any evidence that > the north or south
> poles were ever as thin or thinner than they are now? Just curious. I was
> standing on a mountain a couple  > weeks ago looking over the remains of a
> glacier field that took thousands and thousands of years to receed. Your
> post
> below prompted the question.

I do not know.    I can say that climate has gotten warmer and colder over
the past 18K years.    However, the total mass of the sea ice is certainly
less now than at any time since middle ages... and probably longer.

Chris Clarke
Apex