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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Here's an article just to throw some more controversial fat in this pitfire 
conversation........... :-)
 
http://www.financialsense.com/Market/kirby/2009/1214.html

 
Excerpts:
"It’s All About “New Taxes” – But to Fund What?"..........The funds raised by 
such a scheme were initially widely purported to be a means to redistribute 
wealth from the industrialized world to the
disadvantaged, developing third world..........There is some debate whether 
these e-mails were ‘leaked’ or ‘stolen’ but the gist of these e-mails show 
that important data behind the climate change debate has been 
manipulated.............
 
Bait and Switch and Who Really Gets the Dough
.....it was revealed by Britain’s 
Copenhagen climate change treaty represents a 
 The 
 
So it now appears that this massive new system of global taxation will be 
paid not to the UN, as originally sold [as in a ‘bill of goods’], but 
directly into the coffers of the World Bank. This has all the appearances of 
being the funding mechanism of a World Government run by Banks – not elected 
and not accountable to anyone.
 If Signed By President Obama: The Implications for America
...... driving the American's Economy into a second Great Depression, or 
worse:.................. 
 
....So by necessity, the actual intent of "Global Warming" regulations has to 
be directed at the consumers of Electrical Power, those who turn electrical 
devices on and off.  "Global Warming" regulation is intended to force the 
private sector to turn things off, and keep them off...............
 "Global Warming" regulations will result in a reduction of economic activity 
not seen since the Great Depression.”
 
 
Expect to pay (via trickle down taxation) for a lot less.
 London Guardian states things a bit more strongly, reporting; “The draft 
hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank.”Lord 
Christopher Monckton [member of Britain’s Upper House of Parliament] warned 
that the secretive draft version of theglobal government power grab on an 
“unimaginable scale,”.....new taxes including 2 percent levies on both GDP 
and every international financial transaction.
The problem is they cannot be duplicated, they are gone and were not  
duplicated. We have only the work product they generated after massaging the  
original data. My wife is a university grant writer, I think they would be so 
 
happy to hear that they can throw away all the data gathered from those 
funded  studies that they have always been required to keep. There is a 
warehouse full  of the stuff, still kept even though it has been transferred 
to 
microfilm and  later digital formats. 
Drew
, 

In a message dated 12/15/2009 12:27:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lurine AT com-pair.net writes:

I don't  think the average person, which the DC Whorehouse, etc. counts on, 

understands what happens to all that paper.

They collect data, they  correlate data, they digest data, they spit out 
data 
in the form of papers  for peer review and scientific journals.  The data 
sits around and  then the data is trashed.  That specific project is over. 
They have  the results.  It is done.

No big conspiracy.  Just basic,  ordinary everyday housekeeping.  The idea 
that someone might have  thought 30 years ago that not keeping a collection 
of references, that can  be duplicated if needed, would cause such a stink 
is  
ludicrous.

Lynda

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There's a big difference between keeping papers for writing grants for a 
school etc..........  and keeping papers that would CYA on saying the world 
is warming in a cataclismic manner that will threaten the very existance of 
life. :-)   
 
'Course maybe they didn't know the world puppet masters would seize on their 
report for another means.... but then what's the deal with the hacked emails?
 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6926325.ece
"Several of the e-mails were allegedly written by Phil Jones, head of the 
Climate Research Unit. One, dated November 16, 1999, contained a sentence 
about temperatures and referred to a “trick” that could be used to “hide the 
decline”. "
  
The would have been much smarter in deleting potentially incriminating emails 
that their source documents for their conclusions.... LOL.
 
 
Can't help but wonder..... what does "hide the decline" mean?  Decline in 
global warming?  Stay tuned, more on climate-gate will undoubtably be 
forthcoming.........
 
 
Not quite accurate, Drew.  I did grant writing and each grant has its own
specific requirements.  Some were only 7 years, some were longer.  None were
infinite.  If they are keeping data till hell freezes over, that is their
choice, not a requirement unless a specific grant so states, and most don't.

AND, since the grants I wrote were for schools, I would question keeping all
the supporting documentation.  Results are a different story.  Plus, once
you have your audit, you can trash away to your heart's content in most
instances.

And, there seems to be a disconnect between what reality is with research
and what people perceive it to be.  The data they trashed was simply
information they had collected.  The vast bulk of that data they got from
other sources.  Those sources should still have their data.

Lynda
--"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."  Theordore
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> The problem is they cannot be duplicated, they are gone and were not
> duplicated. We have only the work product they generated after massaging
> the
> original data. My wife is a university grant writer, I think they would be
> so
> happy to hear that they can throw away all the data gathered from those
> funded  studies that they have always been required to keep. There is a
> warehouse full  of the stuff, still kept even though it has been
> transferred to
> microfilm and  later digital formats.
> Drew
> ,
>
> In a message dated 12/15/2009 12:27:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> lurine AT com-pair.net writes:
>
> I don't  think the average person, which the DC Whorehouse, etc. counts
> on,
>
> understands what happens to all that paper.
>
> They collect data, they  correlate data, they digest data, they spit out
> data
> in the form of papers  for peer review and scientific journals.  The data
> sits around and  then the data is trashed.  That specific project is over.
> They have  the results.  It is done.
>
> No big conspiracy.  Just basic,  ordinary everyday housekeeping.  The idea
> that someone might have  thought 30 years ago that not keeping a
> collection
> of references, that can  be duplicated if needed, would cause such a stink
> is
> ludicrous.
>
> Lynda
>
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Leslie, I was talking about the documents/data you use for the projects the
grants are written for/about.  All grants require that you keep "x"
documents for "y" years.  Well, 99.9% of all Federal grants do.  Some of the
private money I got didn't really care.  Here's the money, send us a copy of
the results.  End of discussion.

The last one I wrote, last year, was for funding a genome project.  It
covers 5 years and all supporting documentation must be maintained for a
minimum of 10 years after the close of the grant and final audit.

Lynda
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> There's a big difference between keeping papers for writing grants for a
> school etc.......... and keeping papers that would CYA on saying the world
> is warming in a cataclismic manner that will threaten the very existance
> of life. :-)
>
> 'Course maybe they didn't know the world puppet masters would seize on
> their report for another means.... but then what's the deal with the
> hacked emails?
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6926325.ece
> "Several of the e-mails were allegedly written by Phil Jones, head of the
> Climate Research Unit. One, dated November 16, 1999, contained a sentence
> about temperatures and referred to a “trick” that could be used to “hide
> the decline”. "
>
> The would have been much smarter in deleting potentially incriminating
> emails that their source documents for their conclusions.... LOL.
>
>
> Can't help but wonder..... what does "hide the decline" mean? Decline in
> global warming? Stay tuned, more on climate-gate will undoubtably be
> forthcoming.........