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I take issue with only one part of your explanation, James. Reason alone, is 
not sufficient to elevate to "Godhood". That reason must be tempered by 
morals, or, if you will, ethics.
 Reason, after all, led to the holocaust. Hitler reasoned everything he did, 
as does Osama, Obama, and even Achmadinijad (spelling butchery, I know). 
Reason untempered can be extremely dangerous, and if you want to apply god 
status to it, well, some people worship evil, too.

Sophistry is also reason, taken to extremes.

Ray





Dr. Raymond Zentz
 
It is better to die a free man, than to live, a slave.



-----Original Message-----
From: clansgian AT wmconnect.com
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate




> >Sun planets revolve around the earth - wrong.
Hmmmm.  Not so fast.
The children of modern science tend to look at the doctrine of the past, 
iew it only against current thinking, and the result is a straw man that is 
asily dismissed.  That is we look at the modern model of the solar system 
nd say the sun is obviously the center, right?  And those poor simpletons of 
ges past thought the Earth was the center and the sun revolved around it 
.. how quaint!
Visualize this, if you can: see the solar system operating as it is 
escribed now of days.  Now, suppose you were to fix the Earth, stop it dead 
in 
ts 
racks, immobilize it, nail it down .... and yet the sun and planets 
ontinued to move relative to the Earth unabated.  Is the sun now revolving 
round 
he Earth??   In fact, it is!  If you visualize the Earth as completely 
tationary, then the earth isn't revolving on it's axis but rather the sun is 
aily spinning around it.  Likewise, if we view the Earth as stationary, the 
lantets all move around it as well which sometimes makes them appear 
retrograde'  to our stationary position.
The relative position and movement of all the bodies was well known and 
ell described since antiquity, and even their relative size and distances.  
Up 
ntil the time of Copernicus the mindset of human kind was that wherever 
umans happened to be (the Earth) was by denifintion the most important place 
nd the center of our existence and therefore everything was described in 
erms of how it related to where we happened to be.
What Copernicus and those how followed suit proposed was not a different 
hysical model of the solar system, but rather a shift as to what was 
osmically important.  The philosophy of scientific thinking was that people 
ere 
ore or less a cosmic accident, of no particular importance in the scheme of 
hings.  So the definition of 'center' shifted from being 'where we are' to 
what is the biggest', thus the sun becomes the center of the solar system 
nd were we ourselves are is of no particular consequence.
It was also at this time that the actual god that people worshipped without 
oubt and without question or hesitation became Science and thus it 
ontinues to this day.  You may doubt your religion, but almost no one will 
ever 
doubt 'reason'.  It is thus the real god.

ames
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