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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Chris writes:  "...However, that is NOT to say that anthropogenic greenhouse 
warming is NOT a problem.  I think that it clearly has been shown... "


I disagree.  I do not believe it has been "clearly shown".  The whole scandal 
in "climate-gate", the hacked e-mails from the global warming scientists are 
at the beginning phase of unraveling a collusion by climate scientsist to 
WITHHOLD information that contains any data contrary to their global warming 
theory.  Withholding scientific data leads me to instantly question the 
results of their conclusions.  How can you arrive at specific conclusions 
based on one-sided data?

When I first posted "climate-gate" there wasn't any US media coverage besides 
Fox.  This a/m I'm seeing it on NBC news.   So it seems that at least 1 other 
regular TV station is reporting the scandal besides Fox.   I've been out of 
town most of the last 5 weeks, and I'm behind on some things, especially TV 
watchings, which I don't do much of anyway.

Now it will be interesting to see what comes of the latest rumor, the reports 
that scientists from the E. Aglia Climatic Research Unit have admitted to 
destroying the raw data used to arrive at their conclusions, which means 
other scientists can not check their work.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece


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However, that is NOT to say that anthropogenic greenhouse warming is NOT a 
problem.  I think that it clearly has been shown. 



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It is true, I saw an interview with the director who said they had
destroyed all gathered data from the 80's  forward that they used to draw  
their
conclusions from. This is the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Scientists  who
disagreed were fired and silenced. Papers with opposing views were not
published. We will see a wave of scientists with opposing views coming  
forward.
I even saw Al Gore, verbally admit that in the past the rise in CO2  levels
followed, rather than proceeded global warming and may be a result rather
than a cause.

As the son of a top research scientist, I can attest to many occasions on
which he was upset over the manipulation of data to assure further funding
of  projects. Climatologists have had to scratch out funding in the past, but
their  profession is hot right now and the sky is the limit on funding as
long as the  crisis continues. I lived through the whole "CO2 levels are
causing the coming  of the next ice age" scare in the 70's. My father said 
that
was fake and sure  enough, it was. Now the same data is being rolled out as
proof of global  warming. The real shame of this is we have no idea which
scientists to trust  going forward. Science is supposed to be pure and
politics should not play a  role, but as long as government funding is used 
to pay
for the research we will  have conflicts of interest.

Drew


In a message dated 12/10/2009 3:27:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cayadopi AT yahoo.com writes:

Chris  writes:  "...However, that is NOT to say that anthropogenic
greenhouse  warming is NOT a problem.  I think that it clearly has been  
shown... "


I disagree.  I do not believe it has been  "clearly shown".  The whole
scandal in "climate-gate", the hacked e-mails  from the global warming
scientists are at the beginning phase of unraveling a  collusion by climate
scientsist to WITHHOLD information that contains any data  contrary to their 
global
warming theory.  Withholding scientific data  leads me to instantly question
the results of their conclusions.  How can  you arrive at specific
conclusions based on one-sided data?

When I  first posted "climate-gate" there wasn't any US media coverage
besides  Fox.  This a/m I'm seeing it on NBC news.   So it seems that at  
least
1 other regular TV station is reporting the scandal  besides Fox.   I've
been out of town most of the last 5 weeks,  and I'm behind on some things,
especially TV watchings, which I don't do much  of anyway.

Now it will be interesting to see what comes of the latest  rumor, the
reports that scientists from the E. Aglia Climatic Research Unit  have 
admitted
to destroying the raw data used to arrive at their conclusions,  which means
other scientists can not check their  work.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece


________________________________
From:  Chris Clarke <hstead AT nc.rr.com>
To:  homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 2:10:50  PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate

However, that is NOT to say  that anthropogenic greenhouse warming is NOT a
problem.  I think that  it clearly has been shown.



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