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["Chris Clarke" <hstead AT nc.rr.com>]

Yes,  the planet HAS been this warm before.   It has even been warmer that 
this.   Remember, the nobility in France were peeved that England was 
producing the best wine in the 11th century.

However, that is NOT to say that anthropogenic greenhouse warming is NOT a 
problem.   I think that it clearly has been shown.    If you have been 
around this group long enough, you will remember I was one of the most 
ardent OPPENENTS of "global warming", but the evidence is gone beyond the 
point that it can be disputed.    Yes, there have been foils, plots and 
underhandedness, but the complete corpus of evidence is clear: Anthropogenic 
warming is occuring.   What this means in 100, 500 years, is another matter, 
but I digress.

Leslie is right...  all energy needs to be local.   Cut the petro-crap, and 
the problem of transmission.   The same can be said for water and food. 
Don't hold your breath, though.   Can't control the population if they are 
energy (water and food) independent..

Chris
Apex, NC

> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ..........  When I learned that a town was discovered underneath a 
> receeding
> > glacier in Norway that clearly tells me that the globe has been this warm
> > before - and it was before the invention of cars and coal plants.)