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California, right?  Got an idea for ya.
 
You might want to check out the used RV lots.   The economy is pretty bad 
now, and RV sales are off.  People buy them, and use them only a little and 
then put them up for sale or trade them in.  After 1 year the prices are 
slashed significantly.  The newer winterized ones, can handle temps down into 
the teens, LP heats them fine (figure about one 30 gallon tank lasting 1-3 
weeks in winter depending on day time temps and how warm you want it).  
Outside of winter, the LP can last 6-9 months depending on how much you cook.
The RV lots can help find the financing, too, pretty low monthly payments. 
 
Would give you a chance to be on your own land.
 
If the electric power is out, the fridge flips right over to LP, so no food 
spoilage. 

 

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People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, 
and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. 
Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder 
respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” ~ George 
Orwell

--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Bunjov AT aol.com <Bunjov AT aol.com> wrote:

From: Bunjov AT aol.com <Bunjov AT aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Positive thinking is going on, too.
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Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 5:45 PM

Just catching up on posts - every time I go into the hospital the inbox  gets 
full and all I can think of - lying in that horrible adjustable bed is -  
what am I missing!!!
 
Anyway - 
 
Hard at work on the Newberry Springs Property Owners newsletter. It now  
includes news from Yermo and Daggett. We are the "Silver Valley", in
the  
triangle, coming east out of Barstow - between the 15 and the 40. Don knows 
exactly 
where we are.
 
Here, where I'm renting a bungalow on part of twenty acres (can see my own 
5 
acres up the road but can't afford to build on it - Grrr!) - the neighbor
on  
the other side of the lake took me up on my idea of buying a communal 
freezer.  Said and done. He is going to convert what was once a garden area -
fenced 
and  roofed in chain link - into an area for chickens. An area behind his 
trailer  will be devoted to vegetables...he's done this before, and is good
at it.
 
My little side yard, originally constructed for Blackjack Joe Daggett (my  
late and beloved German Shepherd) would be ideal for goats. Landlord Jon  
approved the goat idea in December of '07 when I moved in. He's in
Hawaii until  
April, but when he comes home we're going to investigate how to make cheese
-  
yum!
 
I have a friend to the east, and neighbors across the road, and the  
management at the nudist colony next door to the west who have assured me  
that
they 
are there for me should I need emergency medical treatment, or  
transportation,

or food and shelter.
 
All of this is great comfort to a 66-year-old single woman of the  
homesteader / survivalist mentality who has great aspirations but no hands-on 
 
experience. I don't care if my goals are surreally fuzzy on the horizpn, or
that  they 
don't appear to be getting any closer...every step toward that horizon 
makes 
my heart glad. My SO, who will be 83 on our mutual birthday in July,  left on 
Monday - having spent a week here.
 
His mindset has always been that 'roughing it' is when room service is 
late. 
And when I convinced him in '05 to sell his house and head north to San  
Carlos to help care for his mother (who will be 107 next month) it hurt me to
my  
heart, but I had to come here. And let him go.
 
This trip, however, he said he was 'relaxed', and he listened to my
ideas,  
and I explained to him what a 'ramada' is, and we drove around both the
lakes  
and I showed him the smaller upper lake where I'd like to put a mobile 
home...I  can pirate in the electricity, and water's not a problem. I
figure that 
would  free up the bungalow so that Landlord Jon could get another tenant, 
and 
more  income. Jon might be a bit bizarre, but he's beautiful, and he
deserves  
every good thing he can get out of this life.
 
He left me - yet again - to care for his cat. The cat was here when he got  
here - 10 years ago - and wasn't 'cuddly', so, for a long time, he
didn't know  
about its gender...hence the cat's name is "Butch" - works either
way!
 
We share here. We are geeky Bohemian.
 
Sandy
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/4/2009 8:02:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
genegerue AT ruralize.com writes:

Regarding the fate of the future, The NYT has a pertinent piece,   
titled Saving the Suburbs, by Allison Arieff. The second segment is  at:
http://arieff.blogs.nytimes.com/

Here are the last two  graphs:

In keeping with this apparent new era of personal  responsibility, the  
only-slightly-tongue-in-cheek collective  Wannastartacommune.com  
started by Stephanie Smith, Buckminster  Fuller-acolyte and founder of  
the green design lab, Ecoshack, gives  a new attitude to an old idea,  
urging residents of cul de sacs or  condos to come together with their  
neighbors to share resources.  Suggestions for collaboration include a  
shared compost pile, weekly  potlucks, neighborhood recycling programs,  
barter services and  shared childcare. Their pilot project,Cul-de-Sac  
communes, is  already underway.
This tendency — let’s call it extreme neighborliness — is  so old- 
fashioned as to seem innovative. Startlingly basic and  wholly  
actionable, it’s a bright spot in a dark time.

Gene  GeRue
www.RURALIZE.com




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I definitely have sensed a change in the hositility levels in different 
places.  I know exactly what you are referring to.  It is more intense in 
cities, but not at the same levels in cities, and is different from section 
to section in the same city.  It is there under the surface... exhibit in 
everything from driving habits, to waiting in lines at grocery stores etc.
 
Tune out crowd tension tactic = get mp3 player.... with your favorite music 
:-)
 
I'm one of the fiercely independent, have come thru a number of adverse 
situations.  Currently in one, but got me an MP3 player.....help me tune out 
(drown out) some of the insanity around here.  (literally)
 
One thing I try to do, when possible is difuse that hostility when possible, 
look at situations and laugh as much as possible, and when waiting in lines 
where people are pissed, just start talking to people around me to get them 
to focus on something else besides being pissed the line is long.  
 
 
 


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Bev-

Do you feel the general hostility near your home or just when you venture
toward Atlanta-like locations?  I have been in places where I felt some kind
of tension, but not everywhere.

This is probably going to sound weird.  I've never tried to articulate this
before.  Can you tune out the crowd tension?  I know that I can tune in to
the general emotional ambiance, if I attend to it.  Mostly I don't.  I feel
kind of silly writing this, but feeling the ugliness hurts.  People _are_ on
the defensive; they're not open to each other, in general.

you wrote

**I'm the same, Lynda.  I suspect that most on this list are fiercely
independent people...we've all come through 'something', some kind
of
adversity.    IMO, though, I still think that we are that way because we
FEAR being controlled by someone else and giving what little power each
of us have to someone else.  Of course it is not shiverinyourboots fear,
but I know there are certain things that I won't do because I would not
be the one in control. (Skydiving, for example)**

Don't you think some of us were born fiercely independent?  I think I
was--I
told my father he looked like a monkey and ran away when I was 3 years old.
(Of course, I just went a few mobile homes over...)    My childhood was not
traumatic, but I wouldn't call my family nurturing, either.  My mom, bless
her heart, has some pretty serious personal issues--her children were not
very high on her list of concerns.  I've always imagined myself with loads
of power, though, at least over myself.  I've been through some pain
lately,
because I chose to exercise my power by staying in an unhealthy situation.
I found my psycho/emotional power limits, and I got out beyond them.
Running out of power was no fun.

you also wrote

**People are just plain out mean
to each other. My friend A is one of those people like Lynn who sees a
friendly universe...she is a happy person who associates with other
happy people.  She just doesn't even see the meanness, but I do...and
you do...why is that?  For me, I think it is because I have been on the
receiving end of the MEAN.  I have been a victim, and despite efforts
not to continue to be a victim, it has jaded my world.   Friend A and I
can be watching TV and see a show, let's say, oh,,,, SouthPark......she
sees it as funny(apparently it was meant to be), I see it as demeaning
...why is that?**

You know Bev, I would have agreed with your friend A until the past few
years.  An optomist like myself remembers the pleasant and tends to gloss
over the negative.  Recently, though, I've encountered people who are just
plain mean--too many to gloss over. Thinking back, I see that were many mean
people in my life.  I just (subconsciously) chose not to focus on
them.   Lately, I have absolutely no time for scheming, calculating
individuals.  I wonder why people make the effort required to be so mean.
They plot meanness in their spare time.  Boggles my mind. I don't go in for
demeaning comedy, either.

My homestead-y fantasies started early, too, thanks to Johanna Spyri.  I
read Heidi scores of times as a youngster, usually by the light coming
through the crack of my bedroom door when I was supposed to be asleep.  I
wanted to run with Peter and the goats, sleep on a hay bed in the loft and
eat toasted bread and cheese.  I also wanted to help people learn (to read,
etc) and reach out to hurting folk.  In a very real way, it's what I've
been
able to do.  So you're right; it's the result of a part of my
childhood, but
it's a happy part.

Cathy
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Rumors in at least one article in the past month that foreign troops being 
positioned on the borders (outside).... and then my (unreliable) brother said 
he was in town last week (knowing nothing about article(s) I've read) that 
there are Chinese troops south of the border here.  
 
Hard to say what to make of all this.  I do know I see black helicopters.  No 
sure where they are coming from, but flying from NE of here towards SW where 
there is allegedly a FEMA camp.  Haven't seen any this past month.

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Peat disks.  I tried them in the spring 08.  Everything sprouted just fine in 
them, but I had started everything too late for here and didn't understand 
the watering technique needed here, so the plants "cooked" outside.  I have a 
bunch left over from last year and will use them up, a few for each thing 
being planted and see how they compare.  Can't say I particularily cared for 
them though, but they did work.
 
Have lots of TP rolls.  Whole or cut in half?
Have some paper towel rolls ready to cut down to size.
Also have peat cups from last year, and lots of newspapers collected and 
ready to make cups.
 
Probably have 400 or more altogether.
 
Got potting soil today, until I can get enough manure/sand mixed soil to get 
things started without buying.
 
Tomorrow will start that project as the days are getting up to 60-75 during 
the day now.  Overnight can still go below freezing, but hot box is ready :-)
 
I started onion seeds and some garlic inside also, at the south window which 
is very sunny and gets nice warmth in the winter here. Onions, they need to 
be transplanted outside tomorrow to make room for the next seeds. 
 
 
I was wondering today if went you start seeds in the TP rolls if you are 
covering the top with saran wrap or anything to help keep the moisture, like 
the plastic cover on those peat disks.


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Today was the day I was supposed to plant my peas outside, but the
ground is still half frozen from yesterday so I guess it will have to
wait another day.  That's a real bummer.  I should have mulched that
area earlier, but with all the planning I did, I forgot that little
detail. grrrr...
I did manage to sow my tomatoes and peppers in peat pots today.  DH
bought some of those little peat disks that expand in water...I don't
know if I will like these or not-first time I've used them...do any of
y'all use/like these little pots?  To me, the big advantage might be the
plastic lid which acts like a mini-greenhouse.  What say ye?
Anyway, I planted mostly paste tomatoes, Roma, Opalka, and Sausage, but
I also planted one slicing variety, Mortgage Lifter, and quite a few
tomatillos, Green Husk.
For the peppers, I am just planting Anaheim, Jalepenos, and
Ancho/Poblano peppers.  I still have plenty of dried cayennes and habs
and such.  I may plant a few additional paprika peppers if I can find my
seeds. DH wants to do that.

For the cole crops I planted last week, everything has germinated except
those damned Brussel sprouts(Long Island).  I'm guessing the seed was
old, but the pak choi was the same year, same source, same storage, and
it germinated, so I don't know.  I has only been 10 days, so I will give
it a full 2 weeks before I give up on them.  I have some new seed,
Catskill variety, but I think I will save it for one last try in the
Fall garden.  I may give up on the Brussel Sprouts if I can't harvest
enough for at least a meal in 2009.

Here's a question for those of you who sow seed indoors like me..
Do you use a special plant fluorescent bulb or just the regular type
fluorescent?  Being cheap, I have always just used the regular bulbs,
but am thinking of buying the blue plant lights.  DH wants to make a
dedicated plant stand so that I can get the plants directly under the
light and closer to it.  No way I will buy one of those stations like
they sell in the catalogs...yikes the price!  My brassicas are still in
the house, in the kitchen, and they, as usual, are rather leggy even
though they are within inches of the light.  My windows are north
facing, so that doesn't help.  Once they get to the greenhouse-probably
next week(I like to see true leaves before they leave the house) they
get plenty of sun but I am trying to prevent this initial legginess and
was wondering if blue lights might be what I need.
You guys would laugh if you saw my contraptions...
I have fluorescent under cabinet lighting in the kitchen..my seed trays
are sitting on top of the bread machine, the toaster, and a big
tupperware type container I store my hot chocolate mix in...lol...I've
created planks up near the lights using my various assortment of cutting
boards and I put the seed trays on that.  It works, however unsightly
and inefficient it is.  I'm quite sure there are much better ways...I am
just cheap.  However, now that DH is interested, maybe he will build
something...and if he builds it, I want blue<g>.

Oh, and sadly, I report that I lost a chick last night.  I think he may
have died night before last and I just did not find him then.  It got
down to 7 yesterday morning...even the pipes in the house froze(but did
not break luckily)..poor baby was frozen to the ground.  Chicken count
is now 65.  Did I mention that I have a buyer for 10 of the half grown
birds??  Yup..selling those birds paid for the electricity for all of
the hatches.  PLUS, since he doesn't care about breed or color, I cull
my white birds...love it!

Bev
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I'm glad you enjoyed that , Leslie. About halfway down the page,  Position 
Paper #23 (the short paragraph about the little candy-bar eating boy's 
grandfather) was particularly good, i thought.................

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--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] A Promising New Political Party
> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com
> Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 10:07 PM
> Absolutely HILARIOUS..... from a fellow libertarian.
> 
> --------
> 
> “All political thinking for years past has been vitiated
> in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it
> coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly
> obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome.
> Political language... is designed to make lies sound
> truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance
> of solidity to pure wind.� ~ George Orwell
> 
> --- On Thu, 2/5/09, bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Homestead] A Promising New Political Party
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 5:32 AM
> 
> Though a libertarian, I have not fit in with the
> Libertarian Party as a
> political entity.  Today, I think I have found a party with
> which I could have
> few arguments.  They even have a superior website to the
> two mainstream parties.
>  Sage told me yesterday to believe in 'hope', she
> was right;  look what
> I have found ...................
> 
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> http://www.maybelogic.com/gunsanddopeparty/
> 
> 
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