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Men commit suicide at ratios of 3 or 4 to one vs.women.  Most male suicides 
are young men -- under 25; or old men -- over 65.  Rural young men commit 
suicide at a much higher rate than urban young men.  Except for unemployemnt 
among young men, none of this has anything to do with someone's financial 
assets.  

People rich and poor kill themselves, sometimes because of finacial reasons, 
ceratinly not because 'they had too much'.  Usually because they were in such 
pain, physiological or psychological, that it seemed the best option at the 
time.  You are trying to make the point that if everyone would become 
poverty-stricken, that everyone would be happier; I assure you that you are 
wrong. 

 The kind of poverty that will result from the unscrpulous misdeeds of cabals 
of bankers, politicians and other moneychangers is a kind of economic 
violence perpetrated against working people.

  Walk up to a working man with children who has lost his job or is losing 
his house, tell him your theory that he and his family will be happier poor  
-- then you might see a dentist......

Poverty is never good, intentional poverty might be the exception, though I 
don't consider that to be true poverty.  A priest commits himself to a life 
of intentional poverty for unwordly rewards; maybe some homesteaders do the 
same.  Most, I guarentee would like some extra money , whether in USD or 
gold, or platinum, or a brokerage account.  It is easy to give away the 
extra, if that is what makes a person happy.  It isn't always easy to build 
the nest egg a person might need in an emergency or a chance at a once-in -a 
lifetime investment.  Those kind of investments 'and' true emergencies always 
happen more often in bad times. 

 You keep preaching the virtue of poverty.  But, I will continue to view it 
as economic violence, when it is perpetrated upon one man by anotyher man, 
for the sole purpose of the perpetrator advancing by 
cheating..................

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--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:

> From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Why I am always so jealous of the rich
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 1:01 PM
> > >The upper socio-economic class is  
> > comprised of a tiny percentage of world population so
> of course those  
> > suicide numbers are small compared to the general
> population.
> > 
> 
> The numbers are small for the reason you cite, but the
> percentages are 
> higher.  Not only that, most of the literature points out
> that suicide occurs when 
> someone's "realative" income falls, that is,
> his income compared to what he 
> used to make or his peers make.  To wit:
> 
> "In  other words, suicide risk rises as relative
> income falls. "
> http://www.frbsf.org/publications/economics/letter/2007/el2007-30.html
> 
> Many researches identify this as the reason that a larger
> percentage of rich 
> people commit suicide than poor people.  When you operate
> on my cash income, 
> it isn't going to fall far!  But when go about boasting
> to everyone how 
> successful you are in business and how financially well of
> you are, you have a long 
> way to fall and more opportunity to fall.
> 
> I take pride and have my identety in how little I can make,
> not how much.  I 
> just bet I can keep that up too.  Not much danger in my
> suddenly becoming rich 
> and messing up a good thing.
> 
> With all the infomercials directed at the gullible urging
> them to buy gold, 
> the unrivaled storehouse for wealth for 5000 years
> (although that isn't true), 
> one thing they leave out is that during all that time every
> society has warned 
> that gold and wealth does not equate to happiness, in fact,
> the acquisitive 
> are much more prone to unhappiness than those that just get
> by.
> 
> Put another way, those who look to, let's say, gold
> coins for security and 
> happiness are always plagued by the misgivings that it
> might not be enough, as 
> the Preacher said:
> 
> "He that loveth silver shall not be satisfied with
> silver; nor he that loveth 
> abundance with increase."
> 
> But when you have a pizza on the table and couple of rare
> brewskis, you can 
> know what it is like to be satisfied.  Why would you want
> ten pizzas or twenty 
> beers?  It's enough.  Amen.
> 
> Happy birthday, Old Man, celebrate the foolishness
> you've missed out on!
> 
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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