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["Lynn Wigglesworth" <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>]

I don't mind the cold; if you are outside a lot, you gradually get used to 
it. I had a bit of an adjustment problem this year because it warmed up into 
the 70 for a while in November, then suddenly got cold. It's the heat I 
can't stand. I could never live where you do. It's nice that the world is 
diverse enough to suit everyone.

Lynn Wigglesworth, in northern PA, where it's currently 21, heading to the 
upper 20's for a high today, and a low of 14 tonight.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] A slang question


> Man, I thought deer hunting in the high 20's for a half a day was rough. 
> I have lived, for periods of time where it snowed, not much , but enough 
> for me to know that I belong in warm weather.  I think I could live again 
> as cold as VA; but would never want to be colder than that.....
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] A slang question
> > To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:41 AM
> > Coastal Maine is the same 4-5 USDA zone as northern PA
> > (where I am). And we
> > have 48 hour periods where the temperature never rises
> > above ZERO.
> >
> > Lynn Wigglesworth
> > Tioga Co. PA
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> > To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] A slang question
> >
> >
> > > But Lynn, do you know how cold it gets in Maine.  They
> > have entire 48 hour
> > > periods where the temperature never rises above
> > freezing.  And from
> > > reading Stephen King in my youth, ME sounds like an
> > altogether spooky
> > > place; with strnage people with histories full of
> > ghosts and goblins  ;-)
> > > .........................
> > >
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Lynn Wigglesworth
> > <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> From: Lynn Wigglesworth
> > <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] A slang question
> > >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > >> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:01 PM
> > >> Susan Jane; Maine is a very special place. If I
> > ever leave
> > >> here, that's
> > >> where I'm heading. My sister lives on Mt.
> > Desert
> > >> Island, but owns land in
> > >> Belfast, and plans to build her dream house there
> > very
> > >> soon. And she know
> > >> Peter, the orchard ladder hippie guy :-)
> > >>
> > >> Lynn Wigglesworth
> > >> Tioga Co. PA
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >> From: "sjc"
> > <indexer AT fairpoint.net>
> > >> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:50 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] A slang question
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Really? How did they do that? And when?
> > Are you
> > >> referring to a particular
> > >> >> event?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Late in the 50s and early in the 60s many
> > people left
> > >> this area for jobs
> > >> > elsewhere; the only real jobs left here for
> > many years
> > >> thereafter were
> > >> > 'factory' chicken operations, huge
> > processing
> > >> plants down on the
> > >> > Penobscot Bay (which had waste chutes 8'
> > across
> > >> where waste was shovel
> > >> > straight into the Bay), and a smattering of
> > leftover
> > >> lobstermen and
> > >> > fishers.  The fisherman were at the beginning
> > of the
> > >> overfishing and
> > >> > couldn't make a living, a lot of them
> > turned to
> > >> lobstering.  That still
> > >> > survives; they took it upon themselves to set
> > limits
> > >> after having
> > >> > watched what happened to the fisheries.  Just
> > about
> > >> everything else was
> > >> > chickens.  Most everybody else took off for
> > >> 'greener pastures' (I guess
> > >> > that means where the snow in July in the
> > gutter
> > >> isn't actually white
> > >> > chicken feathers), largely Boston and beyond.
> >  A lot
> > >> of farmers, having
> > >> > bought the 'can't make any money
> > farming
> > >> anymore' walked off and left
> > >> > land, houses, whatever.
> > >> >
> > >> > People were happy to sell some large tracts
> > to
> > >> incoming
> > >> > back-to0-the-lander, hippie types.  There
> > were
> > >> hundreds at one time.
> > >> > So, they were pretty well-educated, willing
> > to take a
> > >> risk, supported
> > >> > through the initial stages, not afraid to be
> > doing
> > >> something new.  Now
> > >> > they're old hippies, but it turned out
> > they were
> > >> well educated (Daddy's
> > >> > money), and had enough of the same money
> > (trust funds)
> > >> to buy land and
> > >> > actually get it going.  MOFGA was in its
> > infancy then
> > >> but there were a
> > >> > couple of people there who helped them off to
> > a decent
> > >> organic start,
> > >> > information-wise, and a few of the old
> > farmers left
> > >> here helped them.
> > >> >
> > >> > Just about the time they got a toehold, the
> > chicken
> > >> business in Maine
> > >> > fell apart (disease) and more people left,
> > leaving
> > >> more ground, some of
> > >> > which was occupied by said folks, mostly by
> > then in
> > >> family groups.  They
> > >> > all had kids, which they homeschooled, county
> > was too
> > >> broke so they
> > >> > looked the other way.  Eventually Pop's
> > money ran
> > >> out, and everybody
> > >> > buckled down to work.  The kids were reared
> > to be
> > >> polite, to work with
> > >> > their hands and backs, to be respectful,
> > curious,
> > >> hardworking,
> > >> > goal-oriented, independent, contributing
> > members of
> > >> their community.
> > >> > They learned in many cases to take care of
> > the old
> > >> farmers and their
> > >> > wives who'd helped them when they first
> > came.  Now
> > >> those kids have grown
> > >> > up to be some real decent folks, with a good
> > sense of
> > >> who they are, who
> > >> > else is here, a good bit of wisdom for a
> > group of
> > >> young people.  They're
> > >> > teaching, some abroad, in the military,
> > taking care of
> > >> grandparents.....
> > >> >
> > >> > The adults who came here as kids are  now
> > mayors/town
> > >> managers in many
> > >> > of our small towns here, and enthusiastic
> > still about
> > >> the area, willing
> > >> > to work hard for it.  Most of the staff of
> > Unity
> > >> College got their start
> > >> > right here on Stovepipe Alley (one of the
> > communes
> > >> which is now a
> > >> > cohousing unit under I-forget-the-name).
> > Most of the
> > >> staff of College
> > >> > of the Atlantic came from here, same
> > circumstances.
> > >> Not a few are
> > >> > professors at UMO and UMA.  We have a
> > reasonable tax
> > >> base. They started
> > >> > and still own a newspaper.  They redeemed
> > many old
> > >> buildings and built
> > >> > many new ones which one can be pleased to
> > see.  They
> > >> have been at the
> > >> > forefront of alternative energy in Maine, and
> > some of
> > >> them, on a
> > >> > national basis.  There are no 6000sq foot
> > boxes here,
> > >> nor nasty
> > >> > mortgages to pull us into the fray to the
> > south.  We
> > >> have libraries now,
> > >> > parks and other public places, beach access
> > in many
> > >> places, and many
> > >> > small businesses which employ our residents.
> > they
> > >> still don't poke into
> > >> > anybody else's business, and I've
> > never heard
> > >> of a one of them
> > >> > bellyaching about what services they
> > don't have or
> > >> can't get here (my
> > >> > personal gripe; if ya want it, stay where ya
> > have it).
> > >> >
> > >> > We do have 2 stoplights here now, but
> > that's due
> > >> to the  old  yuppie
> > >> > (Crowley, MBNA) who thought he'd make a
> > killing
> > >> off the dumb  Mainers
> > >> > and  installed a huge call center where he
> > soon found
> > >> out that the dumb
> > >> > Mainers here don't like to lie to
> > consumers, even
> > >> on the phone, and so
> > >> > won't sell bad interest rates without
> > telling
> > >> people what they're
> > >> > getting into.  I think they were here 4
> > years.
> > >> Didn't take everybody
> > >> > long to decide they'd rather have the
> > >> hippies......
> > >> >
> > >> > The sense of community is outstanding here;
> > when my
> > >> house burned in '01
> > >> > I told 6 people to please spread the word (on
> > Wed, too
> > >> late to get it in
> > >> > paper) that I planned to have a house-raising
> > on Fri
> > >> & Sat (Thanksgiving
> > >> > weekend) and to please come, and bring any
> > tool you
> > >> don't mind others
> > >> > using, and any materials you may have that
> > you
> > >> don't otherwise want.
> > >> > Fri there were well over 60 people (plus
> > children who
> > >> could actually be
> > >> > trusted to operate a tape, carry cheerfully,
> > whatever)
> > >> and on Saturday
> > >> > over 100 folks, plus a lot more who came by
> > but would
> > >> have had to park
> > >> > too far down the muddy road (over a mile).
> > Little
> > >> kids restacked my
> > >> > half-burned firewood to a new spot, picked up
> > trash,
> > >> dragged magnets,
> > >> > corraled dogs (strict leash law here backed
> > by 410s).
> > >> A rousing good
> > >> > time and much good food was had by all, and
> > by Sat
> > >> dark (about 4:00 that
> > >> > time of year) the shell was up except for the
> > roofing,
> > >> which hadn't come
> > >> > in yet.  About half the materials were
> > donated.  Peter
> > >> (old hippie,
> > >> > probably still count himself one, who makes
> > apple
> > >> ladders brought the
> > >> > rafters he'd cut in the woods that
> > morning.
> > >> Donald, one of the few
> > >> > farmers who welcomed new people to the land
> > even if
> > >> they were hippies,
> > >> > was in the woods logging Fri and came Sat and
> > cut
> > >> those logs right in
> > >> > the driveway into the flooring, with the
> > measuring and
> > >> toting help of
> > >> > two hippies' grandchildren.  The next
> > Saturday the
> > >> roofing went on in
> > >> > four hours.  We like (treasure, actually)
> > that sense
> > >> of community and we
> > >> > all know and acknowledge that had Waldo
> > County driven
> > >> off the hippies,
> > >> > as did many surrounding places, we'd now
> > not have
> > >> what we do, in many
> > >> > ways.  Their children, after living all over
> > the
> > >> world, are now coming
> > >> > home to be teachers in our schools,
> > administrator at
> > >> our hospital,
> > >> > manager at the credit union....and so it
> > marches on.
> > >> >
> > >> > The counties adjacent to us, with the
> > exception of
> > >> Knox County (Camden,
> > >> > old money and established tourism), were in
> > similar
> > >> shape to our county
> > >> > at the beginning of 1960.  They were just
> > beginning to
> > >> get their heads
> > >> > above water when things slowed down this
> > time, and now
> > >> who knows; they
> > >> > are already in trouble in 3 of the 4
> > >> counties....meanwhile we are in
> > >> > reasonably good shape here.
> > >> >
> > >> > So even though nobody really wanted them to
> > come, or
> > >> so I'm told, it's
> > >> > not been tooooo bad.  I doubt if you'd
> > find anyone
> > >> complaining here,
> > >> > now.  I can't think when I heard the last
> > person
> > >> grumble about 'them
> > >> > hippies', maybe about 1990?
> > >> >
> > >> > They did OK by us.
> > >> >
> > >> > SJ
> > >> >
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