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["Toni Hawryluk" <tonihawr AT msn.com>]

Ray typed :
> Not sure of the actual formula, but they now include those who work from 
> home, and not for and employer in the traditional sesne.   

If your time/labor is paid for by an entity 
who can fire you and you can't do anything
about it - it doesn't matter where you work,
does it ? so when there's no paycheck
even though you are more than willing
to be there and *work*, you are unemployed.

But when *Temporary* 'help' is counted as jobs, 
and people are depending on those paychecks 
and actively hurting when the pachecks stop - 
*that*, in my mind, is not *employment*, it is 
a different type of slave labor, as in indenture ...
because the laborer does not collect the full 
amount of what he/she earns, the agency 
gets the first cut, there are no benefits, and
as for holiday/vacation - I worked for over
five years for the same temp firm and got
zilch as far as holidays/vacation - what's
even worse is that the *same* agency has
now gone to 'fiscal year' counting hours
worked - and it is next to impossible to
earn anything other than the cut-rate pay ....

> I don't se what the problem is. 

The problem is that the U.S. is no longer
a manufacturing country, it has gone to
being a "service" country - and even those
somewhat more than minimum-wage 
"services" are now being sent to other
countries ....

> Personally, I think the numbers that should be used to reflect national 
> "unemployment" should be based on relative household income, not based on 
> where you get a check. 

When *all* tax programs are pro-rated by income -
you might have something there - nobody would want
to earn millions if they had only as much to *spend*
as a person earning minimum wage or another
person who is unemployed.
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the problem is Drew is comparing apples to oranges.  If he wants to compare
the current unemployment rate with the last few decades then one has to use
the same formula to arrive at the unemployment rate.

Lynda
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] that's a city !


> Not sure of the actual formula, but they now include those who work from
home, and not for and employer in the traditional sesne.   I feel this is
only correct, as there is more and more a trend in this direction, as many
of you are a part... or at least profess to be.
>
> I don't se what the problem is.   Figured the old way, I am currently
unemployed.   However, I have an income, and while what I do is not the
"norm", I do not consider my self a drain on anyone, thus, not unemployed.
>
> Personally, I think the numbers that should be used to reflect national
"unemployment" should be based on relative household income, not based on
where you get a check.
>
> Ray
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