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["Toni Hawryluk" <tonihawr AT msn.com>]

From: Tvoivozhd<mailto:tvoivozd AT infionline.net> 

> Threatening millions of humans with starvation and is destroying worldwide 
> fish species and fish population
>
> KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - Overfishing is threatening more than 
> two-thirds of the world's most valuable fish species, 

When supply no longer meets demand, it's way
past time "demand" was looked at - China had
the right idea - one child per couple - but
unfortunately too strong a tie to ancestry/
culture - females are dispensable, so now
there's a backlash of not-enough-women.

But until the *human* birth rate is controlled
globally, it's a toss-up between nuclear war 
caused by the type of stupidity leading our 
country - or reacting to our country's "leadership" -
and global starvation leading to nuclear war
that will let the next type of 'intelligent' life
have its turn on this globe.
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Marie McHarry wrote:

>>tvoivozhd---an Anatolian can be pretty hardheaded---and HUGE.  They
>>
>>
>empathize with sheep well if kept with them from puppyhood.  I don't think
>even puppy Anatolians feel any real warmth toward chickens.>>
>
>This little guy -- Louis by name -- is definitely hardheaded, but he's not
>huge yet -- just 14 weeks (and has about doubled in size since I got him at
>9 weeks.
>
>
><<I had a Golden Retriever, Black Lab mix that was wonderful with chickens
>with almost no training---but it was a female, not a neutered male.
>Females in my experience are a hell of a lot  easier to train and so
>anxious to please they pick  up on your displeasure and afterward do not
>chase chickens  (female dogs, can't speak for my ex-wife---well, it was
>really my fault, not hers).>>
>
>A golden-lab mix is generally a people-oriented dog, and I can believe one
>of them would be crushed if she knew she'd done wrong. Louis definitely
>doesn't have that sort of personality, but he's pretty tuned in to me. When
>I said he was a puddle of misery, that's just what he was. He knew he had
>sinned big time.
>
>

tvoivozhd---yeah our golden-lab mix melted to jelly with the slightest
note of our disapproval  Once was always enough to establish a habit-pattern

><<I like the electric collar and hand-held transmitter signal best---the
>shock is instantaneous and painful---dog might think the chicken is
>doing the dirty work.>>
>
>I have considered that. I've also heard that a dead chicken wired to deliver
>a shock works well -- but I'm not quite sure how one accomplishes that.
>
>

tvoivozhd---too expensive for dubious results, and a dead chicken is not
the temptation a live, running, fluttering one is.  A dog might eat a
cold, dead chicken, but ordinarily would have to be hungry

><<... a stubborn dog
>will turn off his hearing aid at that distance.>>
>
>Yeah, one of my border collies -- a bitch, by the way -- has that kind of
>hearing problem. She's obedient, but when she gets something in her head,
>she just does it. Fortunately, she's not prone to do anything really bad,
>and when I summon the voice of authority, she knows she'd better listen.
>
><< You might try the leash,
>the angry shout and a willow-whip for disciplone-susceptible dogs--->>
>
>Before I invest in an electric collar, we're going to do a bit of work with
>the usual discipline.
>
>