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- From: Steve Black <sblack AT axionet.com>
- To: "Kata Markon" <gmark AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: Mark 4:12
- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:16:28 -0700
Title: [gmark] Re: Mark 4:12
I have developed six criteria for detecting literary antecedents,
especially for mimesis. I was in fact influenced in part by discussions of
Paul's use of the Hebrew Bible, but even more so by theorists of Latin
poetry. They are:
1. Accessibility of the putative model, 2. evidence of analogous imitations
or influence, 3. density or volume of the parallels, 4. similar order of
presentation, 5, traits distinctive to the model and imitation, and 6.
benefits of viewing the proposed imitation as such. e.g., does the text
improve on its model. I develop these criteria especially in the Homeric
Epics and the Gospel of Mark, but a new book to be published by Yale
University Press develops and applies the criteria in more detail: Does the
New Testament Imitate Homer? Dennis MacDonald
Dennis, I would add to this list at least one other item. That
would be a comparison of the given author use of other identified
sources. In other words - in regards to Mark - We (or at least I) am
not yet sure about Homeric influence upon Mark's gospel, but I am sure
about the influence of the OT. Of course even here there has been
connections suggested that are far from being conclusive (I'm
thinking, for example, of some of Joe Alward's suggestions). BUT -
there are at least some contexts where the use of the OT is beyond
doubt - as in direct quotes (Mk 1:2-3, etc). Here we are made fully
aware the Mark is thinking and using the OT. So here at least Joe can
make the uncontestable argument that Mark *was thinking* about the OT
as he wrote (and from there he can argue further connections). We have
no such clear quotes from Homer, so it remains, at least to me, not as
conclusive an influence as the OT. Secondly, we can see the manner, or
better perhaps, the reason why Mark uses the OT. Here is where I have
more difficulty with Joe's hypothesis, because he posits no reason
other than the fact that Mark wanted to tie Jesus together with the
OT. (I hope I haven't too
grotesquely caricatured Joe's position...). Mark uses the
OT to great effect, with great density of significance. It seems to me
that (at least in the uncontested uses) he never "just uses"
themes from the OT, but does so with a degree of sophistication.
Dennis, it seems to me that your list of criteria for detecting
literary antecedents might have been constructed from observations
from "unproven" literary connections. It would be
interesting to look at examples where we *know* that one author
borrowed "directly" thematically or otherwise from another
author. If, for example, we were convinced that Luke borrowed from
Mark (as the 2ST suggests) that might offer a good example providing
"controls". The reason we think Luke may have used Mark, and
why John's use of Mark is less sure, is that the *same exact word
usage* is found in both Luke and Mark, whereas in John, some similar
stories are put into very different words. If this is included as a
type of "control" or example of criteria for detecting
literary antecedents , I think Homeric influence might not be as
direct as I believe you are suggesting.
I still have some concerns about "3. density or volume of
the parallels," - It seems to me that many small examples do not
add up to "large evidence". I am still a believer in coincidence; too many things are
asserted in the name of a "now surely that's not just a coincidence" type of
"logic". There are times where I believe that it *is* just
a coincidence!
--
Steve Black
Vancouver School of Theology
Vancouver, BC
Vancouver School of Theology
Vancouver, BC
---
Once in a while you can get shown the light
in the strangest of places in
you look at it right...
-Robert Hunter From SCARLET
BEGONIAS
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Re: Mark 4:12,
Rick Frommich, 04/20/2002
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Mark 4:12, Jeffrey B. Gibson, 04/20/2002
- Re: Mark 4:12, JFAlward, 04/20/2002
- Re: Mark 4:12, Rick Frommich, 04/22/2002
- Re: Mark 4:12, Richard Anderson, 04/25/2002
- Re: Mark 4:12, Dennis MacDonald, 04/25/2002
- Re: Mark 4:12, Steve Black, 04/25/2002
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