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- From: Dann Corbit <DCorbit AT connx.com>
- To: 'FreeTDS Development Group' <freetds AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [freetds] a better libtds
- Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:20:44 +0000
This is Microsoft's TDS grammar:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd304582%28v=PROT.13%29.aspx
A grammar can be turned into a parser and tree walker with a tool like the
Gold Parser:
http://www.devincook.com/goldparser/
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[mailto:freetds-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
jklowden AT schemamania.org
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:02 PM
To: FreeTDS Development Group
Subject: [freetds] a better libtds
I would like to re-engineer libtds from the ground up as a finite state
machine.
Fundamentally, libtds is a TDS parser. Packets arrive in pre-determined
sequences. Packets, even variable-length fields within packets, are well
defined. I don't know if TDS is a *regular* language, but I suspect so.
It's definitely a parseable one.
Why do this? libtds is quite ad hoc; it reflects its origins as a discovery
platform for understanding the TDS protocol. Consequently, it's hard to
understand and hasn't attracted a new developer in five years. Clear
principles and architecture would benefit the library and the project.
Technically, I would put forward these goals:
0. Reduce TDS description to tabular form, to be used as input the
parser-generator. Can also be used to generate structs for each packet type
(see #5). Can also be used to improve TDS documentation.
1. More predictable and rational flow of control, essential for thread
safety.
2. Clear factoring of protocol versions.
3. Better RAII, clearer memory ownership.
4. Removal of iconv from TDS layer. libtds should be transparent.
Charset issues are binding issues; client libraries need to support access to
the raw data. Cf. dbdata() and nvarchar columns.
5. Packet-based access to the network. Data exchange between the client
libraries and libtds should be by packet.
I do not mean that each client library should chase every packet 1:1 on
the wire. In particular, libtds has to scoop up the DONE_IN_PROC and compute
packets after e.g. the final dbnextrow().
6. The same state machine can inform a server implementation.
There are non-technical goals, too:
7. Attract more developers by adopting a classic, computer-science approach.
I venture to say most programmers never get to work on a finite-state
machine.
8. Make FreeTDS portable to other RDBMSs. Cf.
http://freedb.schemamania.org.
9. Make client library maintenance easier. Consider this from
dbnextrow():
const int mask =
TDS_STOPAT_ROWFMT|TDS_RETURN_DONE|TDS_RETURN_ROW|TDS_RETURN_COMPUTE;
...
switch (tds_process_tokens(tds, &res_type, NULL, mask)) {
What would your mother say if she saw you writing C like that?
Asynchronous calls comport with a by-packet interface design. To implement
dbpoll()/dbdataready(), db-lib would call something like:
int tds_next_packet_type(TDS*);
which would return the TDS marker if a packet is available, or -1 if not.
The blocking calls would be:
int tds_get_XXX(TDS*, struct XXX *);
I once thought C++ was the answer to libtds's problems, and I could still be
convinced to use C++. But I think the real answer is a formal approach.
I've been reluctant to undertake all this myself, though. I see no point in
writing a new libtds unless the client libraries are updated to use it, and I
don't want to take on more than db-lib. If I *did* write libtds2 *and*
change db-lib to use it, and that's all that happened, I'd have split the
project, probably making things worse, not better. For the sake of the
project, I really need agreement before I can start.
--jkl
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[freetds] a better libtds,
jklowden, 08/18/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
Dann Corbit, 08/18/2011
- Re: [freetds] a better libtds, James K. Lowden, 08/22/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
Brian Bruns, 08/18/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
James K. Lowden, 08/22/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
Brian Bruns, 08/22/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
James K. Lowden, 08/22/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
Brian Bruns, 08/22/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
James K. Lowden, 08/22/2011
- Re: [freetds] a better libtds, Brian Bruns, 08/22/2011
- Re: [freetds] a better libtds, Frediano Ziglio, 08/25/2011
- [freetds] git transition (Re: a better libtds), Craig A. Berry, 08/26/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
James K. Lowden, 08/22/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
Brian Bruns, 08/22/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
James K. Lowden, 08/22/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
Brian Bruns, 08/22/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
James K. Lowden, 08/22/2011
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Re: [freetds] a better libtds,
Dann Corbit, 08/18/2011
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