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>From: Loren Rosson <rossoiii AT yahoo.com>
>To: "Corpus-paul" <corpus-paul AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>Subject: [corpus-paul] Re: Revised chronology for years 50-57
>Date: Tue, Dec 19, 2000, 8:08 AM
>

> Richard,
>
>> You suggest that Paul carried out the plan of 1 Cor
>> 16.5-9 and that the
>> visit to Corinth that he anticipated in that plan
>> became the sorrowful
>> visit. This is unlikely because the Macedonians
>> would, presumably, have
>> shown eagerness to contribute to the collection on
>> hearing about it from
>> Paul. Paul would then have told the Corinthians
>> about the Macedonians'
>> eagerness when he arrived in Corinth, and we would
>> not be reading about it
>> in 2 Cor 8.
>
> I assume no such thing. The Corinthians doubtfully
> acted on the instructions given in I Cor 16:1-2,
> considering the mutiny which threatened at this time.
> The collection, at this point, was probably an almost
> dead issue. So, during the painful visit, the
> Corinthians would not have cared how ìeagerî the
> Macedonians were for the collection.
>
>> Paul says that he cancelled the visit to spare them,
>> yet he also says that
>> he was confident that the tearful letter would have
>> the desired effect. How
>> do you reconcile these facts? If Titus arrived in
>> Corinth on time, as you
>> assume, and if Paul was confident about the letter,
>> then why did he cancel
>> the visit? Wouldn't Paul be contradicting himself by
>> saying that he had
>> been confident and that the cancellation was to
>> spare them?
>
> To a degree. But consider that he was also saving
> face. Paul would obviously have had misgivings and
> insecurities about the outcome of the painful visit
> and the tearful letter, regardless of how ìconfidentî
> he would later present himself. Also keep in mind II
> Cor 1:8-10. If this text indeed refers to imprisonment
> and/or being at deathís door -- and surely it refers
> to the latter at the very least -- then Paul would
> naturally have postponed any imminent travels
> traveling in order to recuperate. The more I read II
> Cor 1:8-10 in conjunction with II Cor. 1:15-2:4, the
> more I see the latter serving as a mask for the
> former. Itís like Paul is saying, ìEasy for you all to
> say that Iím fickle, vacillating, and changing my mind
> all the time. When have any of you last been put
> through the ordeals Iíve been through?î
>
>> I am suggesting that Paul's second visit to Achaia
>> was to Athens only. Why do you think this is a heavy
>> assumption? What element of the reconstruction do
>> you find so surprising?
>
> To suggest that Paul would not have gone to Corinth in
> order to deal directly with the sexual offender --
> while sitting right next door in Athens -- doesnít
> square with my perception of his character. Youíre
> obviously right about the many who believed (or
> asserted) that Paul didnít ìhave the stonesî to come
> and exercise his power and authority on occasion (I
> Cor. 4:18, for instance). But if he were in Achaia and
> learned of this controversy, I think it more than
> likely he would have paid the church a visit. This was
> one of his most important churches, to which he had
> devoted so much time and passion. So I donít find it
> likely that Paul ìfailed to visit Corinth for a second
> timeî.
>
> Thanks for your observations, Richard. And I notice
> you assume an Ephesian imprisonment theory for
> Philippians. Good! While I believe Ephesians,
> Colossians, and Philemon were all written much later
> -- from Rome -- Philippians seems to come from the
> same period of the Corinthian letters.
>
> Loren Rosson III
> Nashua NH
> rossoiii AT yahoo.com
>
>
>
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