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  • From: Henry Karczynski <vanilla AT racsa.co.cr>
  • To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [Compostteas] Re:interest in visiting with someone with a compost tea brewer in Southern California
  • Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:03:56 -0700

Dear group,

I would like to visit someone with a compost tea brewer, homemade or
commercial, for the express purpose of learning more about design and
operation. I am a Demeter certified spice grower in Costa Rica and have
been following Dr. Ingham's research on compost teas ever since I read an
article about the "Soil Food Web" in Acres, the organic newsletter.
I am going to be in Ventura county, California, from June 22 until July 7th,
I can be reached there at ASK9339 AT AOL.com or 805 3731300.
I have already purchase a 650 liter plastic conical tank in Costa Rica and I
would like to purchase in the USA the vortex nozzles and any other
components that might be difficult to get in Costa Rica. I would be willing
to drive to your site if it can be done in one day.
I will be working with the Soil Lab from the University of Costa Rica on my
return with the goal of extending knowledge and experience about this
sustainable development technology. An ingredient, I have not heard
mentioned on this list which we have been experimenting with as a foliar with
good results for beneficial microorganisms is cassava flour (yuca the
tuber).

Henry Karczynski



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> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:35:26 -0700
> From: wpb AT sympatico.ca
> Reply-To: wpb AT sympatico.ca
> To: "William F. Brinton" <wbrinton AT woodsend.org>
> CC: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Re: Safety and E coli
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> Thanks for the info, I won't be spraying without the supplied-air helmet
> again. In fact I experienced eye irritation just entering the field
> after it had been sprayed. I am impressed with the results so far but
> will treat CT just like any of the other pesticides I've used.
>
> William F. Brinton wrote:
>
> > It is inaccurate to state that if compost tea is "aerobic" then there
> > is no
> > risk of E. coli or other potential pathogens for that matter. Once you
> > have
> > added sugars and molasses, etc. etc. the tea "regresses" to a
> > condition of
> > like fresh manure/compost, with high BOD. This by the way is one
> > reason for the new exclusion
> > by the USDA-National Organic Program of such "re-fermented" products.
> > E. coli is facultative and therefore can grow under any condition
> > especially
> > aerobic when lots of available sugars are present. The best
> > precaution is to only
> > use proven matured composts that have gone thought a proper and long
> > process but are not so done as to contain little microbial activity.
> > Do not add any
> > readily available sugars etc unless research has documented that this
> > is required for
> > the particular host-infection situation.
> >
> > An acquaintance of mine recently got a severe eye infection from
> > spraying compost
> > tea and what the doctors wanted to know was: where did you get so much
> > bacteria at
> > once in the eye? Please be careful and especially watch the "myth of
> > aerobic" that has
> > been propagated in the country.
> >
> > Dr. William Brinton
> > Woods End Laboratory
> >
> >
> >
> >> 1. Safety (wpb AT sympatico.ca)
> >> 2. Re: Safety (Frank Teuton)
> >> 4. Re: Safety (Scott Alexander)
> >> 5. Re: Safety (wpb AT sympatico.ca)
> >> 6. Re: Safety (wpb AT sympatico.ca)
> >>
> >
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> Thanks for the info, I won't be spraying without the supplied-air helmet
> again. In fact I experienced eye irritation just entering the field after
> it had been sprayed. I am impressed with the results so far but will treat
> CT just like any of the other pesticides I've used.<br>
> <br>
> William F. Brinton wrote:<br>
> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:3D0E307D.22A087D1 AT woodsend.org"> It is
> inaccurate to state that if compost tea is "aerobic" then there is no <br>
> risk of <i>E. coli</i> or other potential pathogens for that matter. Once
> you have <br>
> added sugars and molasses, etc. etc. the tea "regresses" to a condition of
> <br>
> like fresh manure/compost, with high BOD. This by the way is one reason for
> the new exclusion <br>
> by the USDA-National Organic Program of such "re-fermented" products. <br>
> E. coli is facultative and therefore can grow under any condition especially
> <br>
> aerobic when lots of available sugars are present.&nbsp; The best
> precaution is
> to only <br>
> use proven matured composts that have gone thought a proper and long <br>
> process but are not so done as to contain little microbial activity. Do not
> add any <br>
> readily available sugars etc unless research has documented that this is
> required for <br>
> the particular host-infection situation.
> <p>An acquaintance of mine recently got a severe eye infection from
> spraying
> compost <br>
> tea and what the doctors wanted to know was: where did you get so much
> bacteria
> at <br>
> once in the eye? Please be careful and especially watch the "myth of
> aerobic"
> that has <br>
> been propagated in the country. </p>
> <p>Dr. William Brinton <br>
> Woods End Laboratory <br>
> &nbsp; <br>
> &nbsp; </p>
> <blockquote type="CITE">&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. Safety (<a
> class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
> href="mailto:wpb AT sympatico.ca";>wpb AT sympatico.ca</a>) <br>
> &nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Re: Safety (Frank Teuton) <br>
> &nbsp;&nbsp; 4. Re: Safety (Scott Alexander) <br>
> &nbsp;&nbsp; 5. Re: Safety (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
> href="mailto:wpb AT sympatico.ca";>wpb AT sympatico.ca</a>) <br>
> &nbsp;&nbsp; 6. Re: Safety (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
> href="mailto:wpb AT sympatico.ca";>wpb AT sympatico.ca</a>) <br>
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> Message: 2
> From: "Tom Jaszewski" <tomj AT lvcm.com>
> To: "William F. Brinton" <wbrinton AT woodsend.org>,
> <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Re: Safety and E coli
> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:00:01 -0700
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> Thank you Dr. Brinton for your concerns.=20
>
> I think it reasonable for anyone spraying ANYTHING to use adequate eye =
> protection. Safety shields should be more than adequate. However I don't =
> think anecdotal information on a bacterial infection should be presented =
> as a warning. For many of us complex sugars are necessary to provide the =
> kind of diversity produced by the addition of sugars. What is your =
> evidence for proving E.coli is capable of occurring or not occurring =
> when sugars are present?
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: William F. Brinton=20
> To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:54 AM
> Subject: [Compostteas] Re: Safety and E coli
>
> It is inaccurate to state that if compost tea is "aerobic" then there =
> is no=20
> risk of E. coli or other potential pathogens for that matter. Once you =
> have=20
> added sugars and molasses, etc. etc. the tea "regresses" to a =
> condition of=20
> like fresh manure/compost, with high BOD. This by the way is one =
> reason for the new exclusion=20
> by the USDA-National Organic Program of such "re-fermented" products.=20
> E. coli is facultative and therefore can grow under any condition =
> especially=20
> aerobic when lots of available sugars are present. The best =
> precaution is to only=20
> use proven matured composts that have gone thought a proper and long=20
> process but are not so done as to contain little microbial activity. =
> Do not add any=20
> readily available sugars etc unless research has documented that this =
> is required for=20
> the particular host-infection situation.=20
> An acquaintance of mine recently got a severe eye infection from =
> spraying compost=20
> tea and what the doctors wanted to know was: where did you get so much =
> bacteria at=20
> once in the eye? Please be careful and especially watch the "myth of =
> aerobic" that has=20
> been propagated in the country.=20
>
> Dr. William Brinton=20
> Woods End Laboratory=20
> =20
> =20
>
> 1. Safety (wpb AT sympatico.ca)=20
> 2. Re: Safety (Frank Teuton)=20
> 4. Re: Safety (Scott Alexander)=20
> 5. Re: Safety (wpb AT sympatico.ca)=20
> 6. Re: Safety (wpb AT sympatico.ca)=20
> =20
> _--__--=20
> Message: 1=20
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:12:54 -0700=20
> From: wpb AT sympatico.ca=20
> Reply-To: wpb AT sympatico.ca=20
> To: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
> Subject: [Compostteas] Safety=20
>
> Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape grower, would =
> like=20
> to know what precautions, if any are being taken, while everyone is=20
> spraying their ct ? With the risk of ecoli, and who knows what else, =
>
> since this isn't an exact science, I would be hard pressed not to =
> wear=20
> the same air-supplied helmet, Tyvek suit, rubber gloves, etc.. that =
>
> would be worn with chemical pesticides. Any opininions?=20
>
> Thanks=20
> Bill Baranick=20
>
> -- __--__-- =20
>
> Message: 2=20
> From: "Frank Teuton" <fteuton AT sympatico.ca>=20
> To: <wpb AT sympatico.ca>, <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>=20
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Safety=20
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:50:30 -0400=20
>
> Hi Bill,=20
>
> The risk of E. coli in compost tea is, to be blunt, overblown as far =
> as I=20
> have read and understood.=20
>
> If the start materials are free of E. coli in significant amounts, =
> and the=20
> conditions maintained in an aerobic state, then the resultant tea =
> ought to=20
> be basically free of E. coli in significant amounts. I'd be more =
> worried=20
> about washing my hands, and all the wild and domesticated animals, =
> than=20
> about compost tea.=20
>
> Re other biological and biologically derived materials you might =
> encouter=20
> from compost tea spraying, there must certainly be many of them, eh? =
>
> Whether or not any of them, or the whole soup taken as a whole, =
> constitute a=20
> health risk or a health benefit, is up in the air, at this =
> particular point=20
> in time.=20
>
> Having exposed myself rather often now in the last few weeks, I =
> notice that=20
> when the prevailing winds blow a fair amount of Merry Microbe Mist =
> over my=20
> end of the tractor, and get it into my hair and on my skin, that I =
> notice a=20
> certain softness and shininess in the hair, and a rosy feeling of =
> well being=20
> in the skin.=20
>
> Since what we are doing is the intentional creation of what we want =
> to be=20
> beneficial bioaerosols of compost organisms for our plants, it is =
> not=20
> completely unreasonable to look into the problems and possibilities =
> of=20
> bioaerosols generally.=20
>
> This site offers some info:=20
>
> http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/LEACentral/Organics/SLOResearch/ScopeWrk.htm =
>
> In the past, compost bioaerosol issues have been basically about =
> Aspergillus=20
> fumigatus near composting facilities, which can cause problems for =
> immune=20
> deficient individuals (Boy in the bubble, AIDS patients, etc.)=20
>
> Since compost tea spraying is in its infancy, there has likely not =
> been=20
> sufficient experience to generate data regarding workers who are =
> exposed to=20
> tea bioaerosols on a daily basis and without protection, as to =
> either risks=20
> or benefits.=20
>
> But, if you have the equipment already and are using tea on a scale =
> such=20
> that you need to be applying it for a large amount of time, limiting =
> your=20
> exposure could be a prudent thing to do.=20
>
> Just enough to soften your hair and keep your skin youthful, I =
> suggest...:-)=20
>
> Hope that helps,=20
>
> Frank Teuton=20
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: <wpb AT sympatico.ca>=20
> To: <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>=20
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:12 PM=20
> Subject: [Compostteas] Safety=20
>
> > Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape grower, =
> would like=20
> > to know what precautions, if any are being taken, while everyone =
> is=20
> > spraying their ct ? With the risk of ecoli, and who knows what =
> else,=20
> > since this isn't an exact science, I would be hard pressed not to =
> wear=20
> > the same air-supplied helmet, Tyvek suit, rubber gloves, etc.. =
> that=20
> > would be worn with chemical pesticides. Any opininions?=20
> >=20
> > Thanks=20
> > Bill Baranick=20
> >=20
>
> -- __--__-- =20
>
> Message: 3=20
> From: Lmvine1 AT cs.com=20
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:56:33 EDT=20
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Mycorrhizal spores=20
> To: lcharles AT webfront.net.au, compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
>
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> In a message dated 6/10/02 11:46:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
> lcharles AT webfront.net.au writes:=20
>
> > In the wheat section its recommended to seed dress with compost =
> tea and=20
> > mycorrhizal fungi spores - sounds good - do we buy these or is =
> there some=20
> > way to grow them.=20
>
> I had a soil bio test done by SFI and it showed very low Mycorrhizal =
> fungi.=20
> In one of the subsequent soil drench teas I used BioGrow =
> Endo-Micronized from=20
> Micorrhizal Applications http://www.mycorrhizae.com/index.html=20
>
> I intend to do another soil test in about a month to see the =
> effectiveness of=20
> the CT soil program on the mycorrhizae and other soil organisms.=20
>
> Dan Lynch=20
> Long Mountain Vineyard=20
>
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message =
> dated 6/10/02 11:46:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =
> lcharles AT webfront.net.au writes:=20
> <BR>=20
> <BR>=20
> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; =
> MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In the wheat =
> section its recommended to seed dress with compost tea and mycorrhizal =
> fungi spores - sounds good - do we buy these or is there some way to =
> grow them. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" =
> FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>=20
> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" =
> FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">=20
> <BR>I had a soil bio test done by SFI and it showed very low =
> Mycorrhizal fungi. &nbsp;In one of the subsequent soil drench teas I =
> used BioGrow Endo-Micronized from Micorrhizal Applications =
> http://www.mycorrhizae.com/index.html=20
> <BR>=20
> <BR>I intend to do another soil test in about a month to see the =
> effectiveness of the CT soil program on the mycorrhizae and other soil =
> organisms.=20
> <BR>=20
> <BR>Dan Lynch=20
> <BR>Long Mountain Vineyard</FONT></HTML>=20
>
> --part1_13.cbca157.2a37be01_boundary--=20
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> -- __--__-- =20
>
> Message: 4=20
> From: "Scott Alexander" <daylily AT bigpond.com>=20
> To: <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>=20
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Safety=20
> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:38:53 +1000=20
>
> > Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape grower, =
> would like=20
> > to know what precautions, if any are being taken, while everyone =
> is=20
> > spraying their ct ?=20
>
> Bill - my CT smells so nice I have to stop myself from drinking it! =
> And i've=20
> grown at least an inch since using it monthly to control rust on my=20
> daylilies :-)=20
>
> Scott=20
>
> -- __--__-- =20
>
> Message: 5=20
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:51:18 -0700=20
> From: wpb AT sympatico.ca=20
> Reply-To: wpb AT sympatico.ca=20
> To: Frank Teuton <fteuton AT sympatico.ca>=20
> CC: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Safety=20
>
> Thanks for the input. Totally out of character for, me anyhow, I =
> left=20
> off the "space helmet" while spraying last night.....first time with =
> ct.=20
> Now I have some eye irritation and such. I got a light misting =
> turning=20
> into the next row. Skin/eye contact and inhalation were/are my =
> concerns=20
> at this point.=20
> Just don't want to be on the receiving end of a bio-aerosol gone bad =
>
> Just enough to soften your hair and keep your skin youthful, I =
> suggest...:-)=20
>
> Sounds like you have the home version of oil of Ole, and Dove dish=20
> washing soap all in one ........but does it keep you regular? :-)=20
>
> Bill=20
>
> -- __--__-- =20
>
> Message: 6=20
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:03:28 -0700=20
> From: wpb AT sympatico.ca=20
> Reply-To: wpb AT sympatico.ca=20
> To: Scott Alexander <daylily AT bigpond.com>=20
> CC: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Safety=20
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> That's encouraging Scott, think it'll grow hair? :-)=20
>
> Scott Alexander wrote:=20
>
> >>Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape grower, =
> would like=20
> >>to know what precautions, if any are being taken, while everyone =
> is=20
> >>spraying their ct ?=20
> >>=20
> >=20
> >Bill - my CT smells so nice I have to stop myself from drinking it! =
> And i've=20
> >grown at least an inch since using it monthly to control rust on my =
>
> >daylilies :-)=20
> >=20
> >Scott=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >_______________________________________________=20
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> That's encouraging Scott, think it'll grow hair? :-)<br>=20
> <br>=20
> Scott Alexander wrote:<br>=20
> <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
> cite=3D"mid:006501c211a0$1fcf15e0$4c668a90@daylily">=20
> <blockquote type=3D"cite">=20
> <pre wrap=3D"">Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial =
> grape grower, would like<br>to know what precautions, if any are being =
> taken, while everyone is<br>spraying their ct ?<br></pre>=20
> </blockquote>=20
> <pre wrap=3D""><!----><br>Bill - my CT smells so nice I have to =
> stop myself from drinking it! And i've<br>grown at least an inch since =
> using it monthly to control rust on my<br>daylilies =
> :-)<br><br>Scott<br><br><br>_____________________________________________=
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> href=3D"http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas";>http://lis=
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> Message: 7=20
> From: "Jeff Lowenfels" <jeff AT gardener.com>=20
> To: <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>=20
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:15:06 -0700=20
> Subject: [Compostteas] fungi??????=20
>
> I am desperately seeking fungi and know that most of you are as =
> well.=20
>
> You can tell I just got back a report for what was really a humic =
> acid based=20
> tea ie that was my food source--2 kinds, and some kelp and some =
> Aloe. These=20
> are all fungal foods. O.K. I know my compost is admittedly =
> notoriously low=20
> in fungi at times. However, I get great bacteria, but low fungi and =
> this has=20
> to stop! I want to be able to manipulate the soil foodweb a bit and =
> not be=20
> limited to bacteria or balanced teas.=20
>
> Others have expressed fungal frustrations as well. And, I have never =
> heard=20
> of anyone with a problem producing bacterial teas.=20
>
> So I ask two questions to the group.=20
>
> First, what has worked to increase fungi in your teas?=20
>
> Second, what have people tested? Anyone tried JUST EQUISTUM or JUST =
> BANANA=20
> PEELS or SHREDDED WHEAT? or just worm castings or just peanut =
> butter? We=20
> clearly have tested the major fungal components of compost because =
> what goes=20
> in is what comes out, but is there something else out there which =
> does for=20
> fungi what molassas does for bacteria? If there is, let's perfect =
> it=20
> quickly.=20
>
> Comments PLEASE!~=20
>
> Cheers,=20
>
> Jeff=20
>
> ______________________________________________=20
> PLANT A ROW FOR THE HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of =
> food have=20
> been donated by home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me =
> how you=20
> can join the effort.=20
>
> -- __--__-- =20
>
> Message: 8=20
> From: "D" <madhava AT fidalgo.net>=20
> Reply-to: madhava AT fidalgo.net=20
> To: "Jeff Lowenfels" <jeff AT gardener.com>, =
> <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>=20
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:46:25 +0800=20
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] fungi??????=20
>
> >Jeff,=20
>
> COuld it be your brewer? What are you brewing with?=20
>
> Daniel=20
>
> I am desperately seeking fungi and know that most of you are as =
> well.=20
> >=20
> >You can tell I just got back a report for what was really a humic =
> acid based=20
>
> >tea ie that was my food source--2 kinds, and some kelp and some =
> Aloe. These=20
>
> >are all fungal foods. O.K. I know my compost is admittedly =
> notoriously low=20
>
> >in fungi at times. However, I get great bacteria, but low fungi and =
> this has=20
>
> >to stop! I want to be able to manipulate the soil foodweb a bit and =
> not be=20
>
> >limited to bacteria or balanced teas.=20
> >=20
> >Others have expressed fungal frustrations as well. And, I have =
> never heard=20
>
> >of anyone with a problem producing bacterial teas.=20
> >=20
> >So I ask two questions to the group.=20
> >=20
> >First, what has worked to increase fungi in your teas?=20
> >=20
> >Second, what have people tested? Anyone tried JUST EQUISTUM or JUST =
> BANANA=20
>
> >PEELS or SHREDDED WHEAT? or just worm castings or just peanut =
> butter? We=20
>
> >clearly have tested the major fungal components of compost because =
> what goes=20
>
> >in is what comes out, but is there something else out there which =
> does for=20
>
> >fungi what molassas does for bacteria? If there is, let's perfect =
> it=20
> >quickly.=20
> >=20
> >Comments PLEASE!~=20
> >=20
> >Cheers,=20
> >=20
> >Jeff=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >______________________________________________=20
> >PLANT A ROW FOR THE HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of =
> food have=20
>
> >been donated by home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me =
> how you=20
>
> >can join the effort.=20
> >=20
> >_______________________________________________=20
> >Compostteas mailing list=20
> >Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
> >http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas=20
> >=20
> >=20
>
> http://www.fidalgo.net/mail/=20
>
> -- __--__-- =20
>
> Message: 9=20
> From: "D" <madhava AT fidalgo.net>=20
> To: "Jeff Lowenfels" <jeff AT gardener.com>, =
> <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>=20
> Subject: Re: [Compostteas] fungi??????=20
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:38:17 -0700=20
>
> Jeff,=20
>
> There is a landscape company in this area that makes CT using the =
> Earth=20
> brewer (100 gallon) the only food they use is molasses and kelp. =
> They use a=20
> local compost that is excellent, one of the best made.=20
>
> They get excellent fungi counts just with molasses, kelp and that =
> great=20
> compost=20
>
> Daniel=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Jeff Lowenfels" <jeff AT gardener.com>=20
> To: <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>=20
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 6:15 PM=20
> Subject: [Compostteas] fungi??????=20
>
> > I am desperately seeking fungi and know that most of you are as =
> well.=20
> >=20
> > You can tell I just got back a report for what was really a humic =
> acid=20
> based=20
> > tea ie that was my food source--2 kinds, and some kelp and some =
> Aloe.=20
> These=20
> > are all fungal foods. O.K. I know my compost is admittedly =
> notoriously low=20
> > in fungi at times. However, I get great bacteria, but low fungi =
> and this=20
> has=20
> > to stop! I want to be able to manipulate the soil foodweb a bit =
> and not be=20
> > limited to bacteria or balanced teas.=20
> >=20
> > Others have expressed fungal frustrations as well. And, I have =
> never heard=20
> > of anyone with a problem producing bacterial teas.=20
> >=20
> > So I ask two questions to the group.=20
> >=20
> > First, what has worked to increase fungi in your teas?=20
> >=20
> > Second, what have people tested? Anyone tried JUST EQUISTUM or =
> JUST BANANA=20
> > PEELS or SHREDDED WHEAT? or just worm castings or just peanut =
> butter? We=20
> > clearly have tested the major fungal components of compost because =
> what=20
> goes=20
> > in is what comes out, but is there something else out there which =
> does for=20
> > fungi what molassas does for bacteria? If there is, let's perfect =
> it=20
> > quickly.=20
> >=20
> > Comments PLEASE!~=20
> >=20
> > Cheers,=20
> >=20
> > Jeff=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > ______________________________________________=20
> > PLANT A ROW FOR THE HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of =
> food=20
> have=20
> > been donated by home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me =
> how you=20
> > can join the effort.=20
> >=20
> > _______________________________________________=20
> > Compostteas mailing list=20
> > Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas=20
> >=20
>
> -- __--__-- =20
>
> Message: 10=20
> From: "Jeff Lowenfels" <jeff AT gardener.com>=20
> To: "D" <madhava AT fidalgo.net>, <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>=20
> Subject: RE: [Compostteas] fungi??????=20
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:11:55 -0700=20
>
> Daniel,=20
>
> I didn't make myself clear. What I am interested in stimulating is a =
>
> discussion of what makes fungi grow in tea. I don't think there is =
> a person=20
> on this list who can't make decent, even high bacteria tea with just =
> compost=20
> and molasses. This is not true when it comes to making a fungi tea. =
> Is it=20
> really the brewer? That is not the answer I am looking for! Isn't =
> there=20
> something that will make fungi grow as easily as molasses makes =
> bacteria=20
> grow no matter what kind of brewer one employs?=20
>
> I suspect the landscape company to which you rightly refer has =
> something=20
> special in their compost or in their tea ingredients. It is rightly=20
> protected. This leads me to the second half of my question which is =
> what has=20
> been tested and what should be tested?=20
>
> So I guess I am asking what works best for others when it comes to =
> fungi?=20
> What have people tried so I don't repeat their failures!=20
>
> Cheers,=20
>
> Jeff L=20
>
> ______________________________________________=20
> PLANT A ROW FOR THE HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of =
> food have=20
> been donated by home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me =
> how you=20
> can join the effort.=20
>
> -- __--__-- =20
>
> Message: 11=20
> From: "Gina Kelsch" <gina AT hendrikus.com>=20
> To: <Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>=20
> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:03:31 -0700=20
> Subject: [Compostteas] listserve=20
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.=20
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> Jeff:=20
>
> Could you remove my name from your listserve mailing? I've taken =
> over =3D=20
> another position in the company and believe that our Business =
> Manager =3D=20
> should be signing up with her email address. =3D20=20
>
> Thanks!=20
>
> Gina Kelsch=20
> Hendrikus Schraven=3D20=20
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080>Jeff:</FONT></DIV>=20
> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>=20
> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080>Could you remove my name from your =
> listserve=3D20=20
> mailing?&nbsp; I've taken over another position in the company and =
> =3D=20
> believe that=3D20=20
> our Business Manager should be signing up with her email =
> address.&nbsp;=3D20=20
> </FONT></DIV>=20
> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>=20
> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>=20
> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>=20
> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080>Gina Kelsch</FONT></DIV>=20
> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080>Hendrikus Schraven </FONT></DIV>=20
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>=20
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> _______________________________________________=20
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> --=20
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> William F. Brinton, Jr.
> Woods End Research
> PO Box 297
> 20 Old Rome Road
> Mt Vernon ME 04352=20
> 207.293.2457 207.293.2488 fx
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> =20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you Dr. Brinton for your =
> concerns.=20
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think it reasonable for anyone =
> spraying ANYTHING=20
> to use adequate eye protection. Safety shields should be more than =
> adequate.=20
> However I don't think anecdotal information on a bacterial infection =
> should be=20
> presented as a warning. For many of us complex sugars are necessary to =
> provide=20
> the kind of diversity produced by the addition of sugars. What is your =
> evidence=20
> for proving E.coli is <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>capable of =
> occurring=20
> or not occurring when sugars are present?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dwbrinton AT woodsend.org =
> href=3D"mailto:wbrinton AT woodsend.org";>William F.=20
> Brinton</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
> title=3Dcompostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org";>compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.o=
> rg</A>=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 17, 2002 =
> 11:54=20
> AM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Compostteas] Re: =
> Safety and E=20
> coli</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>It is inaccurate to state that if compost tea is =
> "aerobic" then=20
> there is no <BR>risk of <I>E. coli</I> or other potential pathogens =
> for that=20
> matter. Once you have <BR>added sugars and molasses, etc. etc. the tea =
>
> "regresses" to a condition of <BR>like fresh manure/compost, with high =
> BOD.=20
> This by the way is one reason for the new exclusion <BR>by the =
> USDA-National=20
> Organic Program of such "re-fermented" products. <BR>E. coli is =
> facultative=20
> and therefore can grow under any condition especially <BR>aerobic when =
> lots of=20
> available sugars are present.&nbsp; The best precaution is to only =
> <BR>use=20
> proven matured composts that have gone thought a proper and long =
> <BR>process=20
> but are not so done as to contain little microbial activity. Do not =
> add any=20
> <BR>readily available sugars etc unless research has documented that =
> this is=20
> required for <BR>the particular host-infection situation.=20
> <P>An acquaintance of mine recently got a severe eye infection from =
> spraying=20
> compost <BR>tea and what the doctors wanted to know was: where did you =
> get so=20
> much bacteria at <BR>once in the eye? Please be careful and especially =
> watch=20
> the "myth of aerobic" that has <BR>been propagated in the country.=20
> <P>Dr. William Brinton <BR>Woods End Laboratory <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;=20
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. Safety (wpb AT sympatico.ca)=20
> <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Re: Safety (Frank Teuton) <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 4. =
> Re: Safety=20
> (Scott Alexander) <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 5. Re: Safety (wpb AT sympatico.ca)=20
> <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 6. Re: Safety (wpb AT sympatico.ca) =
> <BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">_--__--=20
> <P>Message: 1 <BR>Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:12:54 -0700 <BR>From:=20
> wpb AT sympatico.ca <BR>Reply-To: wpb AT sympatico.ca <BR>To:=20
> compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org <BR>Subject: [Compostteas] Safety=20
> <P>Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape grower, =
> would like=20
> <BR>to know what precautions, if any are being taken, while everyone =
> is=20
> <BR>spraying their ct ? With the risk of ecoli, and who knows what =
> else,=20
> <BR>since this isn't an exact science, I would be hard pressed not =
> to wear=20
> <BR>the same air-supplied helmet, Tyvek suit, rubber gloves, =
> etc..&nbsp;=20
> that <BR>would be worn with chemical pesticides. Any opininions?=20
> <P>Thanks <BR>Bill Baranick=20
> <P>-- __--__-- =20
> <P>Message: 2 <BR>From: "Frank Teuton" &lt;fteuton AT sympatico.ca&gt; =
> <BR>To:=20
> &lt;wpb AT sympatico.ca&gt;, &lt;compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org&gt; =
> <BR>Subject:=20
> Re: [Compostteas] Safety <BR>Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:50:30 -0400=20
> <P>Hi Bill,=20
> <P>The risk of E. coli in compost tea is, to be blunt, overblown as =
> far as I=20
> <BR>have read and understood.=20
> <P>If the start materials are free of E. coli in significant =
> amounts, and=20
> the <BR>conditions maintained in an aerobic state, then the =
> resultant tea=20
> ought to <BR>be basically free of E. coli in significant amounts. =
> I'd be=20
> more worried <BR>about washing my hands, and all the wild and =
> domesticated=20
> animals, than <BR>about compost tea.=20
> <P>Re other biological and biologically derived materials you might =
> encouter=20
> <BR>from compost tea spraying, there must certainly be many of them, =
> eh?=20
> <P>Whether or not any of them, or the whole soup taken as a whole,=20
> constitute a <BR>health risk or a health benefit, is up in the air, =
> at this=20
> particular point <BR>in time.=20
> <P>Having exposed myself rather often now in the last few weeks, I =
> notice=20
> that <BR>when the prevailing winds blow a fair amount of Merry =
> Microbe Mist=20
> over my <BR>end of the tractor, and get it into my hair and on my =
> skin, that=20
> I notice a <BR>certain softness and shininess in the hair, and a =
> rosy=20
> feeling of well being <BR>in the skin.=20
> <P>Since what we are doing is the intentional creation of what we =
> want to be=20
> <BR>beneficial bioaerosols of compost organisms for our plants, it =
> is not=20
> <BR>completely unreasonable to look into the problems and =
> possibilities of=20
> <BR>bioaerosols generally.=20
> <P>This site offers some info:=20
> <P><A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/LEACentral/Organics/SLOResearch/ScopeWrk.=
> htm">http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/LEACentral/Organics/SLOResearch/ScopeWrk.htm=
> </A>=20
>
> <P>In the past, compost bioaerosol issues have been basically about=20
> Aspergillus <BR>fumigatus near composting facilities, which can =
> cause=20
> problems for immune <BR>deficient individuals (Boy in the bubble, =
> AIDS=20
> patients, etc.)=20
> <P>Since compost tea spraying is in its infancy, there has likely =
> not been=20
> <BR>sufficient experience to generate data regarding workers who are =
> exposed=20
> to <BR>tea bioaerosols on a daily basis and without protection, as =
> to either=20
> risks <BR>or benefits.=20
> <P>But, if you have the equipment already and are using tea on a =
> scale such=20
> <BR>that you need to be applying it for a large amount of time, =
> limiting=20
> your <BR>exposure could be a prudent thing to do.=20
> <P>Just enough to soften your hair and keep your skin youthful, I=20
> suggest...:-)=20
> <P>Hope that helps,=20
> <P>Frank Teuton=20
> <P>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: &lt;wpb AT sympatico.ca&gt; =
> <BR>To:=20
> &lt;compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org&gt; <BR>Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 =
> 9:12 PM=20
> <BR>Subject: [Compostteas] Safety=20
> <P>&gt; Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape =
> grower, would=20
> like <BR>&gt; to know what precautions, if any are being taken, =
> while=20
> everyone is <BR>&gt; spraying their ct ? With the risk of ecoli, and =
> who=20
> knows what else, <BR>&gt; since this isn't an exact science, I would =
> be hard=20
> pressed not to wear <BR>&gt; the same air-supplied helmet, Tyvek =
> suit,=20
> rubber gloves, etc..&nbsp; that <BR>&gt; would be worn with chemical =
>
> pesticides. Any opininions? <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks <BR>&gt; Bill =
> Baranick=20
> <BR>&gt;=20
> <P>-- __--__-- =20
> <P>Message: 3 <BR>From: Lmvine1 AT cs.com <BR>Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 =
> 16:56:33=20
> EDT <BR>Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Mycorrhizal spores <BR>To:=20
> lcharles AT webfront.net.au, compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
> <P>--part1_13.cbca157.2a37be01_boundary <BR>Content-Type: =
> text/plain;=20
> charset=3D"US-ASCII" <BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=20
> <P>In a message dated 6/10/02 11:46:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
> <BR>lcharles AT webfront.net.au writes:=20
> <P>&gt; In the wheat section its recommended to seed dress with =
> compost tea=20
> and <BR>&gt; mycorrhizal fungi spores - sounds good - do we buy =
> these or is=20
> there some <BR>&gt; way to grow them.=20
> <P>I had a soil bio test done by SFI and it showed very low =
> Mycorrhizal=20
> fungi. <BR>In one of the subsequent soil drench teas I used BioGrow=20
> Endo-Micronized from <BR>Micorrhizal Applications <A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://www.mycorrhizae.com/index.html";>http://www.mycorrhizae.com=
> /index.html</A>=20
>
> <P>I intend to do another soil test in about a month to see the=20
> effectiveness of <BR>the CT soil program on the mycorrhizae and =
> other soil=20
> organisms.=20
> <P>Dan Lynch <BR>Long Mountain Vineyard=20
> <P>--part1_13.cbca157.2a37be01_boundary <BR>Content-Type: text/html; =
>
> charset=3D"US-ASCII" <BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=20
> <P>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica&gt;&lt;FONT&nbsp; =
> SIZE=3D2&gt;In=20
> a message dated 6/10/02 11:46:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
> lcharles AT webfront.net.au writes: <BR>&lt;BR&gt; <BR>&lt;BR&gt;=20
> <BR>&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: =
> #0000ff 2px=20
> solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"&gt;In =
> the=20
> wheat section its recommended to seed dress with compost tea and =
> mycorrhizal=20
> fungi spores - sounds good - do we buy these or is there some way to =
> grow=20
> them. &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&nbsp; COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 =
> FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20
> FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;=20
> <BR>&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT&nbsp; COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
>
> FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"&gt; <BR>&lt;BR&gt;I =
> had a soil bio=20
> test done by SFI and it showed very low Mycorrhizal fungi. =
> &amp;nbsp;In one=20
> of the subsequent soil drench teas I used BioGrow Endo-Micronized =
> from=20
> Micorrhizal Applications <A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://www.mycorrhizae.com/index.html";>http://www.mycorrhizae.com=
> /index.html</A>=20
> <BR>&lt;BR&gt; <BR>&lt;BR&gt;I intend to do another soil test in =
> about a=20
> month to see the effectiveness of the CT soil program on the =
> mycorrhizae and=20
> other soil organisms. <BR>&lt;BR&gt; <BR>&lt;BR&gt;Dan Lynch=20
> <BR>&lt;BR&gt;Long Mountain Vineyard&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;=20
> <P>--part1_13.cbca157.2a37be01_boundary--=20
> <P>-- __--__-- =20
> <P>Message: 4 <BR>From: "Scott Alexander" =
> &lt;daylily AT bigpond.com&gt;=20
> <BR>To: &lt;compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org&gt; <BR>Subject: Re: =
> [Compostteas]=20
> Safety <BR>Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:38:53 +1000=20
> <P>&gt; Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape =
> grower, would=20
> like <BR>&gt; to know what precautions, if any are being taken, =
> while=20
> everyone is <BR>&gt; spraying their ct ?=20
> <P>Bill - my CT smells so nice I have to stop myself from drinking =
> it! And=20
> i've <BR>grown at least an inch since using it monthly to control =
> rust on my=20
> <BR>daylilies :-)=20
> <P>Scott=20
> <P>-- __--__-- =20
> <P>Message: 5 <BR>Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:51:18 -0700 <BR>From:=20
> wpb AT sympatico.ca <BR>Reply-To: wpb AT sympatico.ca <BR>To: Frank Teuton =
>
> &lt;fteuton AT sympatico.ca&gt; <BR>CC: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
> <BR>Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Safety=20
> <P>Thanks for the input. Totally out of character for, me anyhow, I =
> left=20
> <BR>off the "space helmet" while spraying last night.....first time =
> with ct.=20
> <BR>Now I have some eye irritation and such. I got a light misting =
> turning=20
> <BR>into the next row. Skin/eye contact and inhalation were/are my =
> concerns=20
> <BR>at this point. <BR>Just don't want to be on the receiving end of =
> a=20
> bio-aerosol gone bad=20
> <P>Just enough to soften your hair and keep your skin youthful, I=20
> suggest...:-)=20
> <P>Sounds like you have the home version of oil of Ole, and Dove =
> dish=20
> <BR>washing soap all in one&nbsp; ........but does it keep you=20
> regular?&nbsp; :-)=20
> <P>Bill=20
> <P>-- __--__-- =20
> <P>Message: 6 <BR>Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:03:28 -0700 <BR>From:=20
> wpb AT sympatico.ca <BR>Reply-To: wpb AT sympatico.ca <BR>To: Scott =
> Alexander=20
> &lt;daylily AT bigpond.com&gt; <BR>CC: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org=20
> <BR>Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Safety=20
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> <P>That's encouraging Scott, think it'll grow hair? :-)=20
> <P>Scott Alexander wrote:=20
> <P>&gt;&gt;Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape =
> grower,=20
> would like <BR>&gt;&gt;to know what precautions, if any are being =
> taken,=20
> while everyone is <BR>&gt;&gt;spraying their ct ? <BR>&gt;&gt; =
> <BR>&gt;=20
> <BR>&gt;Bill - my CT smells so nice I have to stop myself from =
> drinking it!=20
> And i've <BR>&gt;grown at least an inch since using it monthly to =
> control=20
> rust on my <BR>&gt;daylilies :-) <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;Scott <BR>&gt; =
> <BR>&gt;=20
> <BR>&gt;_______________________________________________ =
> <BR>&gt;Compostteas=20
> mailing list <BR>&gt;Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org <BR>&gt;<A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas";>http://lis=
> ts.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas</A>=20
> <BR>&gt;=20
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> <P>&lt;html&gt; <BR>&lt;head&gt; <BR>&lt;/head&gt; <BR>&lt;body&gt;=20
> <BR>That's encouraging Scott, think it'll grow hair? :-)&lt;br&gt;=20
> <BR>&lt;br&gt; <BR>Scott Alexander wrote:&lt;br&gt; =
> <BR>&lt;blockquote=20
> type=3D"cite" =
> cite=3D"mid:006501c211a0$1fcf15e0$4c668a90@daylily"&gt; <BR>&nbsp;=20
> &lt;blockquote type=3D"cite"&gt; <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;pre=20
> wrap=3D""&gt;Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape =
> grower,=20
> would like&lt;br&gt;to know what precautions, if any are being =
> taken, while=20
> everyone is&lt;br&gt;spraying their ct ?&lt;br&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;=20
> <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/blockquote&gt; <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
> &lt;pre=20
> wrap=3D""&gt;&lt;!----&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bill - my CT smells so nice I =
> have to stop=20
> myself from drinking it! And i've&lt;br&gt;grown at least an inch =
> since=20
> using it monthly to control rust on my&lt;br&gt;daylilies=20
> =
> :-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Scott&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;_______________=
> ________________________________&lt;br&gt;Compostteas=20
> mailing list&lt;br&gt;&lt;a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =
> href=3D"<A=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org";>mailto:Compostteas AT lists.ib=
> iblio.org</A>"&gt;Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a =
>
> class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"<A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas";>http://lis=
> ts.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas</A>"&gt;<A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas";>http://lis=
> ts.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas</A>&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br=
> &gt;&lt;/pre&gt;=20
> <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;/blockquote&gt; <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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> <P>--------------000807050500020906080202--=20
> <P>-- __--__-- =20
> <P>Message: 7 <BR>From: "Jeff Lowenfels" &lt;jeff AT gardener.com&gt; =
> <BR>To:=20
> &lt;compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org&gt; <BR>Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 =
> 18:15:06=20
> -0700 <BR>Subject: [Compostteas] fungi??????=20
> <P>I am desperately seeking fungi and know that most of you are as =
> well.=20
> <P>You can tell I just got back a report for what was really a humic =
> acid=20
> based <BR>tea ie that was my food source--2 kinds, and some kelp and =
> some=20
> Aloe. These <BR>are all fungal foods. O.K. I know my compost is =
> admittedly=20
> notoriously low <BR>in fungi at times. However, I get great =
> bacteria, but=20
> low fungi and this has <BR>to stop! I want to be able to manipulate =
> the soil=20
> foodweb a bit and not be <BR>limited to bacteria or balanced teas.=20
> <P>Others have expressed fungal frustrations as well. And, I have =
> never=20
> heard <BR>of anyone with a problem producing bacterial teas.=20
> <P>So I ask two questions to the group.=20
> <P>First, what has worked to increase fungi in your teas?=20
> <P>Second, what have people tested? Anyone tried JUST EQUISTUM or =
> JUST=20
> BANANA <BR>PEELS or SHREDDED WHEAT?&nbsp; or just worm castings or =
> just=20
> peanut butter?&nbsp; We <BR>clearly have tested the major fungal =
> components=20
> of compost because what goes <BR>in is what comes out, but is there=20
> something else out there which does for <BR>fungi what molassas does =
> for=20
> bacteria?&nbsp; If there is, let's perfect it <BR>quickly.=20
> <P>Comments PLEASE!~=20
> <P>Cheers,=20
> <P>Jeff=20
> <P>______________________________________________ <BR>PLANT A ROW =
> FOR THE=20
> HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of food have <BR>been =
> donated by=20
> home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me how you <BR>can =
> join the=20
> effort.=20
> <P>-- __--__-- =20
> <P>Message: 8 <BR>From: "D" &lt;madhava AT fidalgo.net&gt; =
> <BR>Reply-to:=20
> madhava AT fidalgo.net <BR>To: "Jeff Lowenfels" =
> &lt;jeff AT gardener.com&gt;,=20
> &lt;compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org&gt; <BR>Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 =
> 20:46:25=20
> +0800 <BR>Subject: Re: [Compostteas] fungi??????=20
> <P>&gt;Jeff,=20
> <P>COuld it be your brewer?&nbsp; What are you brewing with?=20
> <P>Daniel=20
> <P>I am desperately seeking fungi and know that most of you are as =
> well.=20
> <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;You can tell I just got back a report for what was =
> really a=20
> humic acid based=20
> <P>&gt;tea ie that was my food source--2 kinds, and some kelp and =
> some Aloe.=20
> These=20
> <P>&gt;are all fungal foods. O.K. I know my compost is admittedly=20
> notoriously low=20
> <P>&gt;in fungi at times. However, I get great bacteria, but low =
> fungi and=20
> this has=20
> <P>&gt;to stop! I want to be able to manipulate the soil foodweb a =
> bit and=20
> not be=20
> <P>&gt;limited to bacteria or balanced teas. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;Others =
> have=20
> expressed fungal frustrations as well. And, I have never heard=20
> <P>&gt;of anyone with a problem producing bacterial teas. <BR>&gt;=20
> <BR>&gt;So I ask two questions to the group. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;First, =
> what=20
> has worked to increase fungi in your teas? <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;Second, =
> what=20
> have people tested? Anyone tried JUST EQUISTUM or JUST BANANA=20
> <P>&gt;PEELS or SHREDDED WHEAT?&nbsp; or just worm castings or just =
> peanut=20
> butter?&nbsp; We=20
> <P>&gt;clearly have tested the major fungal components of compost =
> because=20
> what goes=20
> <P>&gt;in is what comes out, but is there something else out there =
> which=20
> does for=20
> <P>&gt;fungi what molassas does for bacteria?&nbsp; If there is, =
> let's=20
> perfect it <BR>&gt;quickly. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;Comments PLEASE!~ =
> <BR>&gt;=20
> <BR>&gt;Cheers, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;Jeff <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
> <BR>&gt;=20
> <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;______________________________________________=20
> <BR>&gt;PLANT A ROW FOR THE HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million =
> pounds of=20
> food have=20
> <P>&gt;been donated by home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. =
> Ask me=20
> how you=20
> <P>&gt;can join the effort. <BR>&gt;=20
> <BR>&gt;_______________________________________________ =
> <BR>&gt;Compostteas=20
> mailing list <BR>&gt;Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org <BR>&gt;<A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas";>http://lis=
> ts.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas</A>=20
> <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
> <P><A =
> href=3D"http://www.fidalgo.net/mail/";>http://www.fidalgo.net/mail/</A>=20
> <P>-- __--__-- =20
> <P>Message: 9 <BR>From: "D" &lt;madhava AT fidalgo.net&gt; <BR>To: =
> "Jeff=20
> Lowenfels" &lt;jeff AT gardener.com&gt;, =
> &lt;compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org&gt;=20
> <BR>Subject: Re: [Compostteas] fungi?????? <BR>Date: Tue, 11 Jun =
> 2002=20
> 21:38:17 -0700=20
> <P>Jeff,=20
> <P>There is a landscape company in this area that makes CT using the =
> Earth=20
> <BR>brewer (100 gallon) the only food they use is molasses and =
> kelp.&nbsp;=20
> They use a <BR>local compost that is excellent, one of the best =
> made.=20
> <P>They get excellent fungi counts just with molasses, kelp and that =
> great=20
> <BR>compost=20
> <P>Daniel <BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Jeff =
> Lowenfels"=20
> &lt;jeff AT gardener.com&gt; <BR>To: =
> &lt;compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org&gt;=20
> <BR>Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 6:15 PM <BR>Subject: [Compostteas]=20
> fungi??????=20
> <P>&gt; I am desperately seeking fungi and know that most of you are =
> as=20
> well. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; You can tell I just got back a report for =
> what was=20
> really a humic acid <BR>based <BR>&gt; tea ie that was my food =
> source--2=20
> kinds, and some kelp and some Aloe. <BR>These <BR>&gt; are all =
> fungal foods.=20
> O.K. I know my compost is admittedly notoriously low <BR>&gt; in =
> fungi at=20
> times. However, I get great bacteria, but low fungi and this <BR>has =
>
> <BR>&gt; to stop! I want to be able to manipulate the soil foodweb a =
> bit and=20
> not be <BR>&gt; limited to bacteria or balanced teas. <BR>&gt; =
> <BR>&gt;=20
> Others have expressed fungal frustrations as well. And, I have never =
> heard=20
> <BR>&gt; of anyone with a problem producing bacterial teas. <BR>&gt; =
>
> <BR>&gt; So I ask two questions to the group. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
> First, what=20
> has worked to increase fungi in your teas? <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Second, =
> what=20
> have people tested? Anyone tried JUST EQUISTUM or JUST BANANA =
> <BR>&gt; PEELS=20
> or SHREDDED WHEAT?&nbsp; or just worm castings or just peanut =
> butter?&nbsp;=20
> We <BR>&gt; clearly have tested the major fungal components of =
> compost=20
> because what <BR>goes <BR>&gt; in is what comes out, but is there =
> something=20
> else out there which does for <BR>&gt; fungi what molassas does for=20
> bacteria?&nbsp; If there is, let's perfect it <BR>&gt; quickly. =
> <BR>&gt;=20
> <BR>&gt; Comments PLEASE!~ <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Cheers, <BR>&gt; =
> <BR>&gt; Jeff=20
> <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
> ______________________________________________ <BR>&gt; PLANT A ROW =
> FOR THE=20
> HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of food <BR>have <BR>&gt; =
> been=20
> donated by home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me how =
> you=20
> <BR>&gt; can join the effort. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
> _______________________________________________ <BR>&gt; Compostteas =
> mailing=20
> list <BR>&gt; Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org <BR>&gt; <A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas";>http://lis=
> ts.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas</A>=20
> <BR>&gt;=20
> <P>-- __--__-- =20
> <P>Message: 10 <BR>From: "Jeff Lowenfels" &lt;jeff AT gardener.com&gt; =
> <BR>To:=20
> "D" &lt;madhava AT fidalgo.net&gt;, =
> &lt;compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org&gt;=20
> <BR>Subject: RE: [Compostteas] fungi?????? <BR>Date: Tue, 11 Jun =
> 2002=20
> 22:11:55 -0700=20
> <P>Daniel,=20
> <P>I didn't make myself clear. What I am interested in stimulating =
> is a=20
> <BR>discussion of what makes fungi grow in tea.&nbsp; I don't think =
> there is=20
> a person <BR>on this list who can't make decent, even high bacteria =
> tea with=20
> just compost <BR>and molasses. This is not true when it comes to =
> making a=20
> fungi tea.&nbsp;&nbsp; Is it <BR>really the brewer? That is not the =
> answer I=20
> am looking for!&nbsp; Isn't there <BR>something that will make fungi =
> grow as=20
> easily as molasses makes bacteria <BR>grow no matter what kind of =
> brewer one=20
> employs?=20
> <P>I suspect the landscape company to which you rightly refer has =
> something=20
> <BR>special in their compost or in their tea ingredients. It is =
> rightly=20
> <BR>protected. This leads me to the second half of my question which =
> is what=20
> has <BR>been tested and what should be tested?=20
> <P>So I guess I am asking what works best for others when it comes =
> to fungi?=20
> <BR>What have people tried so I don't repeat their failures!=20
> <P>Cheers,=20
> <P>Jeff L=20
> <P>______________________________________________ <BR>PLANT A ROW =
> FOR THE=20
> HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of food have <BR>been =
> donated by=20
> home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me how you <BR>can =
> join the=20
> effort.=20
> <P>-- __--__-- =20
> <P>Message: 11 <BR>From: "Gina Kelsch" &lt;gina AT hendrikus.com&gt; =
> <BR>To:=20
> &lt;Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org&gt; <BR>Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 =
> 07:03:31=20
> -0700 <BR>Subject: [Compostteas] listserve=20
> <P>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.=20
> <P>------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C211DF.4300CBA0 <BR>Content-Type: =
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> <P>Jeff:=20
> <P>Could you remove my name from your listserve mailing?&nbsp; I've =
> taken=20
> over =3D <BR>another position in the company and believe that our =
> Business=20
> Manager =3D <BR>should be signing up with her email address. =3D20=20
> <P>Thanks!=20
> <P>Gina Kelsch <BR>Hendrikus Schraven=3D20=20
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> color=3D3D#000080&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;=20
> <BR>&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT color=3D3D#000080&gt;Could you remove my =
> name from=20
> your listserve=3D20 <BR>mailing?&amp;nbsp; I've taken over another =
> position in=20
> the company and =3D <BR>believe that=3D20 <BR>our Business Manager =
> should be=20
> signing up with her email address.&amp;nbsp;=3D20=20
> <BR>&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt; <BR>&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT=20
> color=3D3D#000080&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;=20
> <BR>&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT =
> color=3D3D#000080&gt;Thanks!&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;=20
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> color=3D3D#000080&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;=20
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> Kelsch&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt; <BR>&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT=20
> color=3D3D#000080&gt;Hendrikus Schraven &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;=20
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