An acquaintance of mine recently got a severe eye infection from spraying
compost
tea and what the doctors wanted to know was: where did you get so
much bacteria at
once in the eye? Please be careful and especially watch
the "myth of aerobic" that has
been propagated in the country.
Dr. William Brinton
Woods End Laboratory
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:12:54 -0700
From:
wpb AT sympatico.ca
Reply-To: wpb AT sympatico.ca
To:
compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [Compostteas] Safety
Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape grower, would like
to know what precautions, if any are being taken, while everyone is
spraying their ct ? With the risk of ecoli, and who knows what else,
since this isn't an exact science, I would be hard pressed not to wear
the same air-supplied helmet, Tyvek suit, rubber gloves, etc..
that
would be worn with chemical pesticides. Any opininions?
Thanks
Bill Baranick
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Message: 2
From: "Frank Teuton" <fteuton AT sympatico.ca>
To:
<wpb AT sympatico.ca>, <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject:
Re: [Compostteas] Safety
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:50:30 -0400
Hi Bill,
The risk of E. coli in compost tea is, to be blunt, overblown as far as I
have read and understood.
If the start materials are free of E. coli in significant amounts, and
the
conditions maintained in an aerobic state, then the resultant tea
ought to
be basically free of E. coli in significant amounts. I'd be
more worried
about washing my hands, and all the wild and domesticated
animals, than
about compost tea.
Re other biological and biologically derived materials you might encouter
from compost tea spraying, there must certainly be many of them, eh?
Whether or not any of them, or the whole soup taken as a whole,
constitute a
health risk or a health benefit, is up in the air, at this
particular point
in time.
Having exposed myself rather often now in the last few weeks, I notice
that
when the prevailing winds blow a fair amount of Merry Microbe Mist
over my
end of the tractor, and get it into my hair and on my skin, that
I notice a
certain softness and shininess in the hair, and a rosy
feeling of well being
in the skin.
Since what we are doing is the intentional creation of what we want to be
beneficial bioaerosols of compost organisms for our plants, it is not
completely unreasonable to look into the problems and possibilities of
bioaerosols generally.
This site offers some info:
http://www.ciwmb.ca.gov/LEACentral/Organics/SLOResearch/ScopeWrk.htm
In the past, compost bioaerosol issues have been basically about
Aspergillus
fumigatus near composting facilities, which can cause
problems for immune
deficient individuals (Boy in the bubble, AIDS
patients, etc.)
Since compost tea spraying is in its infancy, there has likely not been
sufficient experience to generate data regarding workers who are exposed
to
tea bioaerosols on a daily basis and without protection, as to either
risks
or benefits.
But, if you have the equipment already and are using tea on a scale such
that you need to be applying it for a large amount of time, limiting
your
exposure could be a prudent thing to do.
Just enough to soften your hair and keep your skin youthful, I
suggest...:-)
Hope that helps,
Frank Teuton
----- Original Message -----
From: <wpb AT sympatico.ca>
To:
<compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: [Compostteas] Safety
> Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape grower, would
like
> to know what precautions, if any are being taken, while
everyone is
> spraying their ct ? With the risk of ecoli, and who
knows what else,
> since this isn't an exact science, I would be hard
pressed not to wear
> the same air-supplied helmet, Tyvek suit,
rubber gloves, etc.. that
> would be worn with chemical
pesticides. Any opininions?
>
> Thanks
> Bill Baranick
>
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Message: 3
From: Lmvine1 AT cs.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:56:33
EDT
Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Mycorrhizal spores
To:
lcharles AT webfront.net.au, compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
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In a message dated 6/10/02 11:46:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lcharles AT webfront.net.au writes:
> In the wheat section its recommended to seed dress with compost tea
and
> mycorrhizal fungi spores - sounds good - do we buy these or is
there some
> way to grow them.
I had a soil bio test done by SFI and it showed very low Mycorrhizal
fungi.
In one of the subsequent soil drench teas I used BioGrow
Endo-Micronized from
Micorrhizal Applications http://www.mycorrhizae.com/index.html
I intend to do another soil test in about a month to see the
effectiveness of
the CT soil program on the mycorrhizae and other soil
organisms.
Dan Lynch
Long Mountain Vineyard
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In
a message dated 6/10/02 11:46:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lcharles AT webfront.net.au writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px
solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In the
wheat section its recommended to seed dress with compost tea and mycorrhizal
fungi spores - sounds good - do we buy these or is there some way to grow
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<BR>I had a soil bio
test done by SFI and it showed very low Mycorrhizal fungi. In one
of the subsequent soil drench teas I used BioGrow Endo-Micronized from
Micorrhizal Applications http://www.mycorrhizae.com/index.html
<BR>
<BR>I intend to do another soil test in about a
month to see the effectiveness of the CT soil program on the mycorrhizae and
other soil organisms.
<BR>
<BR>Dan Lynch
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Message: 4
From: "Scott Alexander" <daylily AT bigpond.com>
To: <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Compostteas]
Safety
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:38:53 +1000
> Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape grower, would
like
> to know what precautions, if any are being taken, while
everyone is
> spraying their ct ?
Bill - my CT smells so nice I have to stop myself from drinking it! And
i've
grown at least an inch since using it monthly to control rust on my
daylilies :-)
Scott
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:51:18 -0700
From:
wpb AT sympatico.ca
Reply-To: wpb AT sympatico.ca
To: Frank Teuton
<fteuton AT sympatico.ca>
CC: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Safety
Thanks for the input. Totally out of character for, me anyhow, I left
off the "space helmet" while spraying last night.....first time with ct.
Now I have some eye irritation and such. I got a light misting turning
into the next row. Skin/eye contact and inhalation were/are my concerns
at this point.
Just don't want to be on the receiving end of a
bio-aerosol gone bad
Just enough to soften your hair and keep your skin youthful, I
suggest...:-)
Sounds like you have the home version of oil of Ole, and Dove dish
washing soap all in one ........but does it keep you
regular? :-)
Bill
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:03:28 -0700
From:
wpb AT sympatico.ca
Reply-To: wpb AT sympatico.ca
To: Scott Alexander
<daylily AT bigpond.com>
CC: compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [Compostteas] Safety
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That's encouraging Scott, think it'll grow hair? :-)
Scott Alexander wrote:
>>Hello, I'm new to the list, and as a commercial grape grower,
would like
>>to know what precautions, if any are being taken,
while everyone is
>>spraying their ct ?
>>
>
>Bill - my CT smells so nice I have to stop myself from drinking it!
And i've
>grown at least an inch since using it monthly to control
rust on my
>daylilies :-)
>
>Scott
>
>
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That's encouraging Scott, think it'll grow hair? :-)<br>
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Message: 7
From: "Jeff Lowenfels" <jeff AT gardener.com>
To:
<compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:15:06
-0700
Subject: [Compostteas] fungi??????
I am desperately seeking fungi and know that most of you are as well.
You can tell I just got back a report for what was really a humic acid
based
tea ie that was my food source--2 kinds, and some kelp and some
Aloe. These
are all fungal foods. O.K. I know my compost is admittedly
notoriously low
in fungi at times. However, I get great bacteria, but
low fungi and this has
to stop! I want to be able to manipulate the soil
foodweb a bit and not be
limited to bacteria or balanced teas.
Others have expressed fungal frustrations as well. And, I have never
heard
of anyone with a problem producing bacterial teas.
So I ask two questions to the group.
First, what has worked to increase fungi in your teas?
Second, what have people tested? Anyone tried JUST EQUISTUM or JUST
BANANA
PEELS or SHREDDED WHEAT? or just worm castings or just
peanut butter? We
clearly have tested the major fungal components
of compost because what goes
in is what comes out, but is there
something else out there which does for
fungi what molassas does for
bacteria? If there is, let's perfect it
quickly.
Comments PLEASE!~
Cheers,
Jeff
______________________________________________
PLANT A ROW FOR THE
HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of food have
been donated by
home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me how you
can join the
effort.
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Message: 8
From: "D" <madhava AT fidalgo.net>
Reply-to:
madhava AT fidalgo.net
To: "Jeff Lowenfels" <jeff AT gardener.com>,
<compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:46:25
+0800
Subject: Re: [Compostteas] fungi??????
>Jeff,
COuld it be your brewer? What are you brewing with?
Daniel
I am desperately seeking fungi and know that most of you are as well.
>
>You can tell I just got back a report for what was really a
humic acid based
>tea ie that was my food source--2 kinds, and some kelp and some Aloe.
These
>are all fungal foods. O.K. I know my compost is admittedly
notoriously low
>in fungi at times. However, I get great bacteria, but low fungi and
this has
>to stop! I want to be able to manipulate the soil foodweb a bit and
not be
>limited to bacteria or balanced teas.
>
>Others have
expressed fungal frustrations as well. And, I have never heard
>of anyone with a problem producing bacterial teas.
>
>So I ask two questions to the group.
>
>First, what
has worked to increase fungi in your teas?
>
>Second, what
have people tested? Anyone tried JUST EQUISTUM or JUST BANANA
>PEELS or SHREDDED WHEAT? or just worm castings or just peanut
butter? We
>clearly have tested the major fungal components of compost because
what goes
>in is what comes out, but is there something else out there which
does for
>fungi what molassas does for bacteria? If there is, let's
perfect it
>quickly.
>
>Comments PLEASE!~
>
>Cheers,
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>______________________________________________
>PLANT A ROW FOR THE HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of
food have
>been donated by home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me
how you
>can join the effort.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Compostteas
mailing list
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>http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas
>
>
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Message: 9
From: "D" <madhava AT fidalgo.net>
To: "Jeff
Lowenfels" <jeff AT gardener.com>, <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Compostteas] fungi??????
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002
21:38:17 -0700
Jeff,
There is a landscape company in this area that makes CT using the Earth
brewer (100 gallon) the only food they use is molasses and kelp.
They use a
local compost that is excellent, one of the best made.
They get excellent fungi counts just with molasses, kelp and that great
compost
Daniel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Lowenfels"
<jeff AT gardener.com>
To: <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: [Compostteas]
fungi??????
> I am desperately seeking fungi and know that most of you are as
well.
>
> You can tell I just got back a report for what was
really a humic acid
based
> tea ie that was my food source--2
kinds, and some kelp and some Aloe.
These
> are all fungal foods.
O.K. I know my compost is admittedly notoriously low
> in fungi at
times. However, I get great bacteria, but low fungi and this
has
> to stop! I want to be able to manipulate the soil foodweb a bit and
not be
> limited to bacteria or balanced teas.
>
>
Others have expressed fungal frustrations as well. And, I have never heard
> of anyone with a problem producing bacterial teas.
>
> So I ask two questions to the group.
>
> First, what
has worked to increase fungi in your teas?
>
> Second, what
have people tested? Anyone tried JUST EQUISTUM or JUST BANANA
> PEELS
or SHREDDED WHEAT? or just worm castings or just peanut butter?
We
> clearly have tested the major fungal components of compost
because what
goes
> in is what comes out, but is there something
else out there which does for
> fungi what molassas does for
bacteria? If there is, let's perfect it
> quickly.
>
> Comments PLEASE!~
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
______________________________________________
> PLANT A ROW FOR THE
HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of food
have
> been
donated by home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me how you
> can join the effort.
>
>
_______________________________________________
> Compostteas mailing
list
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> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/compostteas
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Message: 10
From: "Jeff Lowenfels" <jeff AT gardener.com>
To:
"D" <madhava AT fidalgo.net>, <compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: RE: [Compostteas] fungi??????
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002
22:11:55 -0700
Daniel,
I didn't make myself clear. What I am interested in stimulating is a
discussion of what makes fungi grow in tea. I don't think there is
a person
on this list who can't make decent, even high bacteria tea with
just compost
and molasses. This is not true when it comes to making a
fungi tea. Is it
really the brewer? That is not the answer I
am looking for! Isn't there
something that will make fungi grow as
easily as molasses makes bacteria
grow no matter what kind of brewer one
employs?
I suspect the landscape company to which you rightly refer has something
special in their compost or in their tea ingredients. It is rightly
protected. This leads me to the second half of my question which is what
has
been tested and what should be tested?
So I guess I am asking what works best for others when it comes to fungi?
What have people tried so I don't repeat their failures!
Cheers,
Jeff L
______________________________________________
PLANT A ROW FOR THE
HUNGRY: Through PAR, over 3 million pounds of food have
been donated by
home gardeners like you to feed the hungry. Ask me how you
can join the
effort.
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Message: 11
From: "Gina Kelsch" <gina AT hendrikus.com>
To:
<Compostteas AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:03:31
-0700
Subject: [Compostteas] listserve
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Could you remove my name from your listserve mailing? I've taken
over =
another position in the company and believe that our Business
Manager =
should be signing up with her email address. =20
Thanks!
Gina Kelsch
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